Honor Marie

[oriolesteve]

This guy was my Derby future and Derby horse and I’m not bailing now. The Derby was a non race as he was hammered from both sides at the start. He’s been looking good and gets a jockey change to Geroux. Read that he’s going to be a little closer to the pace so he doesn’t have to come from the clouds. I’m all in at 12-1.
Have him keyed in all 3 slots in tris around 5 horses. Alive with him and Resilience in the Acorn doubles.
Good Luck
Steve

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he wins i lose
grl

[mysaladdays]

Jun 8, 2024 14:17:07 GMT -5 oriolesteve said:

This guy was my Derby future and Derby horse and I’m not bailing now. The Derby was a non race as he was hammered from both sides at the start. He’s been looking good and gets a jockey change to Geroux. Read that he’s going to be a little closer to the pace so he doesn’t have to come from the clouds. I’m all in at 12-1.
Have him keyed in all 3 slots in tris around 5 horses. Alive with him and Resilience in the Acorn doubles.
Good Luck
Steve

Be like Badactor, never get off your horse if you like them.   Hope you get the double~

[cindyloujazz]

Sierra Leone smashed into him soon after the gate opened. Came from last, yet again. Brutal trip. He was not my play, by the way. Thought he did well to get 4th. He beat all of my horses. Well done, considering.

[vagrant]

Horses become closers because they have no early speed and/or never break sharply. They are inferior athletes whose deficiencies put them at risk for early trouble and late ground loss. They are victims of their own circumstances.

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shirley u aren't sirrius

[ozzy]

Jun 10, 2024 13:10:12 GMT -5 vagrant said:

Horses become closers because they have no early speed and/or never break sharply. They are inferior athletes whose deficiencies put them at risk for early trouble and late ground loss. They are victims of their own circumstances.

Zenyatta enters the chat to disagree….

I think that is quite the over generalization.  .There is more than one way to win a race.  Sure some times a closer capitalizes on a pace scenario, wins, and is often unable to repeat therefore we diminish the result as “they got lucky” - Rich Strike, Drosselmeyer, Country House are horses who come to mind. We often say the same about a horse who gets loose on the lead and “steals” a race don’t we? 

There are many speed horses that break well, run off, and are never around late as they fade so it’s not all about speed and breaking well.There are some horses who have an ability to make one powerful devastating run in a race and those are closers.  That could be due to some mental or physical issue for sure, or it might just be they are so talented that is the only time there is the need to exert that much effort and energy, not because they are inferior.

[vagrant]

Frontrunners don't "steal" races, Oz. Races are contests of speed. The fastest horse steals nothing. He just outruns horses who can't keep up or catch up. That's as honest injun as it gets.

Zenyatta aside, most closing winners on dirt just pick up the pieces when the pace melts down. For them to win, others must cause themselves to lose.

I can't imagine many trainers get a 2YO and say, I'm gonna teach this horse to be a closer. It's a fallback position that's taken when a horse shows no natural speed -- not even enough to run midpack.

[mattcoll]

Someone described Street Sense as a sprinter.....that runs his 6 furlong race at the end of a longer workout with other horses. I think that's the only time time a dirt horse would train to be a closer, when the horse is so dominant and mature that it just makes sense to stay out of the way from the others. I don't think he was just picking up the pieces closing in the Juvy/Derby...he was just the fastest sprinter and had an advantage in route races with his stamina.

Like many really good closing horses, as he matured he stayed a little closer to the front, like in the Travers. I think Royal Delta also learned to stay a little closer with age and even pressed the pace. Flat Out was another one.

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unless u r a horse 
why would you even 
say anything?
if a trainer's only job is 
to teach a horselet to 
go fast 
there's 
no discussion
according 2 u

[vagrant]

>>>unless u r a horse
why would you even
say anything?

Are you a horse? No? Is anyone else here a horse? No? Well, let's just shut down the board then. Turn it over to Mr. Ed.

A trainer's job is to make the most of a horse's athletic ability. You can't teach speed. That's my whole point.

[vagrant]

Matt is dead-on re: Street Sense and Royal Delta.

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ok...u can't teach speed
only the ability to use it
that makes sense so why
don't you think some horses want and need to use their
speed differently?
the finish line isn't moving

[UpInClass]

The previous poster has been banned.

[cherokeescot]

I’m betting on Honor Marie today since Steve hasn’t posted anything this is bound to be the day he finally comes good 😜