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Post by oriolesteve on Jun 8, 2024 14:17:07 GMT -5
This guy was my Derby future and Derby horse and I’m not bailing now. The Derby was a non race as he was hammered from both sides at the start. He’s been looking good and gets a jockey change to Geroux. Read that he’s going to be a little closer to the pace so he doesn’t have to come from the clouds. I’m all in at 12-1. Have him keyed in all 3 slots in tris around 5 horses. Alive with him and Resilience in the Acorn doubles. Good Luck Steve
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2024 16:08:34 GMT -5
he wins i lose grl
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Post by mysaladdays on Jun 8, 2024 17:00:12 GMT -5
This guy was my Derby future and Derby horse and I’m not bailing now. The Derby was a non race as he was hammered from both sides at the start. He’s been looking good and gets a jockey change to Geroux. Read that he’s going to be a little closer to the pace so he doesn’t have to come from the clouds. I’m all in at 12-1. Have him keyed in all 3 slots in tris around 5 horses. Alive with him and Resilience in the Acorn doubles. Good Luck Steve Be like Badactor, never get off your horse if you like them. Hope you get the double~
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Post by cindyloujazz on Jun 9, 2024 13:40:00 GMT -5
Sierra Leone smashed into him soon after the gate opened. Came from last, yet again. Brutal trip. He was not my play, by the way. Thought he did well to get 4th. He beat all of my horses. Well done, considering.
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Post by vagrant on Jun 10, 2024 13:10:12 GMT -5
Horses become closers because they have no early speed and/or never break sharply. They are inferior athletes whose deficiencies put them at risk for early trouble and late ground loss. They are victims of their own circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 16:58:25 GMT -5
shirley u aren't sirrius
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Post by ozzy on Jun 26, 2024 5:55:44 GMT -5
Horses become closers because they have no early speed and/or never break sharply. They are inferior athletes whose deficiencies put them at risk for early trouble and late ground loss. They are victims of their own circumstances. Zenyatta enters the chat to disagree…. I think that is quite the over generalization. .There is more than one way to win a race. Sure some times a closer capitalizes on a pace scenario, wins, and is often unable to repeat therefore we diminish the result as “they got lucky” - Rich Strike, Drosselmeyer, Country House are horses who come to mind. We often say the same about a horse who gets loose on the lead and “steals” a race don’t we? There are many speed horses that break well, run off, and are never around late as they fade so it’s not all about speed and breaking well.There are some horses who have an ability to make one powerful devastating run in a race and those are closers. That could be due to some mental or physical issue for sure, or it might just be they are so talented that is the only time there is the need to exert that much effort and energy, not because they are inferior.
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Post by vagrant on Jul 1, 2024 9:14:53 GMT -5
Frontrunners don't "steal" races, Oz. Races are contests of speed. The fastest horse steals nothing. He just outruns horses who can't keep up or catch up. That's as honest injun as it gets.
Zenyatta aside, most closing winners on dirt just pick up the pieces when the pace melts down. For them to win, others must cause themselves to lose.
I can't imagine many trainers get a 2YO and say, I'm gonna teach this horse to be a closer. It's a fallback position that's taken when a horse shows no natural speed -- not even enough to run midpack.
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Post by mattcoll on Jul 1, 2024 12:06:16 GMT -5
Someone described Street Sense as a sprinter.....that runs his 6 furlong race at the end of a longer workout with other horses. I think that's the only time time a dirt horse would train to be a closer, when the horse is so dominant and mature that it just makes sense to stay out of the way from the others. I don't think he was just picking up the pieces closing in the Juvy/Derby...he was just the fastest sprinter and had an advantage in route races with his stamina.
Like many really good closing horses, as he matured he stayed a little closer to the front, like in the Travers. I think Royal Delta also learned to stay a little closer with age and even pressed the pace. Flat Out was another one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 18:48:58 GMT -5
unless u r a horse why would you even say anything? if a trainer's only job is to teach a horselet to go fast there's no discussion according 2 u
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Post by vagrant on Jul 9, 2024 10:10:58 GMT -5
>>>unless u r a horse why would you even say anything?
Are you a horse? No? Is anyone else here a horse? No? Well, let's just shut down the board then. Turn it over to Mr. Ed.
A trainer's job is to make the most of a horse's athletic ability. You can't teach speed. That's my whole point.
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Post by vagrant on Jul 9, 2024 10:12:37 GMT -5
Matt is dead-on re: Street Sense and Royal Delta.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 16:22:41 GMT -5
ok...u can't teach speed only the ability to use it that makes sense so why don't you think some horses want and need to use their speed differently? the finish line isn't moving
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Post by UpInClass on Aug 7, 2024 10:08:07 GMT -5
The previous poster has been banned.
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Post by cherokeescot on Aug 24, 2024 13:12:22 GMT -5
I’m betting on Honor Marie today since Steve hasn’t posted anything this is bound to be the day he finally comes good 😜
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