UK- Epsom Derby- Sat 6/1/24

[tenfurlongs]

Just like in his first two races, you could see that he kept going at nearly full speed AFTER the winning post. Ryan had to really hold on tight to get him to pull up after they went out of sight behind the trees. Remember, Epsom is not a 'loop' course, I'd imagine it ends with a fence, tape, or rise pretty abruptly.

Turf mission accomplished, Travers seems like the target next. That would be something.




TW

[mysaladdays]

Has anyone noticed that COT is possibly the only horse I have ever seen who has an actual "butt crack"? Not to be coarse or anything, but it's really rather unusual to see that.

[spiderjohn]

Other runners have the best view of it

[mysaladdays]

Why would Obrien bring COT to the Travers? The 12F type Euro turf trainers are pretty uninterested in our dirt races.

[1hooper]

Jun 1, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -5 mysaladdays said:

Why would Obrien bring COT to the Travers? The 12F type Euro turf trainers are pretty uninterested in our dirt races.

Quote from AOB in March.


"If the Guineas went well he could go to the (Epsom) Derby and then there's a chance he could go to Saratoga for the Travers. That's all possible if things go well, so it will be interesting," O'Brien said. "

[mysaladdays]

Jun 1, 2024 11:56:53 GMT -5 1hooper said:

Jun 1, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -5 mysaladdays said:

Why would Obrien bring COT to the Travers? The 12F type Euro turf trainers are pretty uninterested in our dirt races.

Quote from AOB in March.

TY.   I wasn't aware of the quote.   I said what I said because, unlike those on this particular forum, most people in the States aren't even aware of what the Epsom Derby is.   The only reason they would be in a year like this is because a U.S. triple crown horse sired the favorite in The Epsom Derby. It is barely a race that is even discussed.

Anyway, I can't imagine putting that horse on a dirt track the way we have them rolled hard as cement for big race days but "because Justify" I guess it could happen.  

[eye123]

"Why would Obrien bring COT to the Travers? The 12F type Euro turf trainers are pretty uninterested in our dirt races."

Justify stud fee 2023 $100,000 2024 $200,000.......

[mysaladdays]

Jun 1, 2024 8:05:36 GMT -5 mysaladdays said:

Long Shot Northern Dancer: Relentless Voyager, Ziggy, Struth

Winner, place, exacta

[mysaladdays]

Jun 1, 2024 12:06:24 GMT -5 eye123 said:

"Why would Obrien bring COT to the Travers? The 12F type Euro turf trainers are pretty uninterested in our dirt races."

Justify stud fee 2023 $100,000 2024 $200,000.......

Not sure what his stud fee has to do with putting a turf horse onto hard dirt.  If anything, I would save the horse from that kind of stress on his legs and send him to the shed 

[tenfurlongs]

Jun 1, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -5 mysaladdays said:

Why would Obrien bring COT to the Travers? The 12F type Euro turf trainers are pretty uninterested in our dirt races.

The Coolmore 'lads' are standing his sire Justify in Kentucky at Ashford Stud and his stud fee has doubled for 2024 to $200K. If he could become a top-tier two-surface sire (like his late father Scat Daddy) he could could more quickly turn a profit on the $85 bajillion USD they paid to acquire him. If City Of Troy wins the Travers, it could attract more dirt-pedigree owners here in the States, and to a lesser extent the Middle East, I would think. They've also pretty much run out of worlds to conquer elsewhere on the planet. (I know that you know all this stuff, just in case others aren't aware of all the connections.)

Nice hit on the 7th race, I thought the exacta would have been larger.




TW

 

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[spiderjohn]

Aidan O is a good judge of his talent, and seems to spot them correctly—rarely where they don’t belong
He would probably crush the local 3yos

[mysaladdays]

In the end, I am a huge fan of City of Troy. I always find it odd how fickle many can be if a horse loses one race as he did in the 2000G. Interesting how AOB took the blame for that. Some would view that as him being humble, others that he is being a stallion salesman.

At any rate I thought both horse and jockey were brilliant yesterday.

Seeing the black sheets go up around Tears Of A Clown was the only bad part of the day. She is RIP unfortunately.

[mysaladdays]

Since i think so much has to come from distaff side, always interesting how only the sire is credited.

In City of Troy's case, that would be an Irish bred Galileo mare, Forever Together(IRE) (not the USA bred of the same name) who won the Epsom Oaks and ran 2nd in the Irish Oaks, who was also trained by AOB.   and who is also a full sister another Oaks winner.

It was a "big deal" when she won The Epsom Oaks that year, on rain-softened ground, because at the time she was a maiden, and no maiden had won previously for 35 years!   

Forever Together(IRE) was the 7th time AOB had won the Epsom Oaks at the time (2018)


It will be interesting to see how, now that the brilliant influences of Galileo is waning, as he falls further and further back into pedigrees....and if AOB ever retires, how some of these classic races turn out.  Obviously, i think the world of this trainer, and also of Galileo. (And Danehill in my avatar).

Which also explains my suggested $2 single on mr hampstead, the ONLY U.S.bred horse in the race.  He ran dead last.  However, a direct offspring of Galileo, and we will NOT be seeing many more of those.  So not something to take for granted.  That kind of bloodline could be infinitely useful. (In the shed).  I would therefore, keep an eye on progeny with him in the mating...He is bred for the distance with that sire but his weaker distaff side will probably keep him from winning many graded stakes level races.   I would mate that horse with some very strong female pedigrees, just saying he will or could be useful as a sire or bms.  Gamblers pay more attention to winners, but the way bloodstock folks see horses' usefulness is entirely different.  

[1hooper]

"I'd say there's no doubt he's the best Derby winner we've had," said O'Brien

I'd take Galileo (132) over City of Troy (127) but that is just me.

[mysaladdays]

Latest article from saturday in Bloodhorse noted that City of Troy holds entries in the St James's Palace Stakes (G1), Irish Derby (G1), Eclipse Stakes (G1), Irish Champion Stakes (G1), and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (G1). "

Then in next paragraph, AOB is quoted "it has always been a passion of ours to try to win the (Breeders' Cup) Classic."

www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/277252/city-of-troy-silences-doubters-in-epsom-derby

Then, Racing Post headline today said " Irish Derby and Eclipse both on the table for brilliant City Of Troy as connections mull over tilt on dirt in the Travers Stakes.".


IF he wanted to establish himself as a true 1-1/2 miler, then 'Arc would nail that. I think that is not going to happen though...that field won't be filled with the kind of horses he was able to beat at Epsom. While proving himself on dirt might be a better sell for his stud value/career record in the U.S. market?

Anyway, there was no mention of Travers this time in Bloodhorse as there was in march, but only in Racing Post.

But he has so many options, it is anyone's guess where he goes next so who even knows since they dont either.

[cherokeescot]

I listened to Aidan’s interview with Nick Luck this morning and it certainly appears that it is the Travers that they are focusing on but obviously “ the lads” will have the final decision.

[eye123]

All about Justify      

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