Stretch run

[tex]

Hearing Randy Moss harp on it and watching Sierra Leone continue to lug in how was there no look at it or change? Heck he bumped him off stride and even knocked the whip out of the Japanese jockey hand. Considering the margin it surely made a difference. You think maybe Japanese culture is why no objection? Just accept the result honorably and move on?

[tex]

And also - those Cajun boys are not afraid of the rail!!!!

[cherokeescot]

Exactly. Should have been a dq which had a major effect to us who had Forever Young in the exacta

[tex]

Full disclosure - flip the 2 and 11 and I have the trifecta.

[Deleted]

i chalk it up to not
providing proper translation of the
procedures in advance
and then saying
so solly
(thanks 4 bitchin 4 those of us
who actually played 4everyoung CS!)
SHOW THE PICTURE
and i'll be
satisfied

[damascus]

I didnt want to be a whiner but SL cost me a $2 TRi including Mystik (Thank you Dell!).

Considering i suffered major wager loss when they DQed Maximum Security they absolutely should have looked at taking down SL. Especially when that horse is known to lug in. Kind of like a Draymond Green of horses!

I feel bad having lost but i feel much worse for forever young and connections as they did what no one else has done coming that close to winning the Derby. Squeezed back at the start and came running all the way to the end......what an efffing horse race!

Damascus

[cherokeescot]

May 4, 2024 19:03:03 GMT -5 @merasmag said:

i chalk it up to not
providing proper translation of the
procedures in advance
and then saying
so solly
(thanks 4 bitchin 4 those of us
who actually played 4everyoung CS!)
SHOW THE PICTURE
and i'll be
satisfied

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[cherokeescot]

Damascus

Totally agree . Pleased for Dell but Mystik Dan got a dream trip compared to Forever Young.

It was a great race though and hopefully many of them go on to greater things

[damascus]

Nice hit Cherokee!

[Deleted]

what, if anything,
does that dd tic
havta due with
the 11?

[mysaladdays]

In japan, jockeys dont lodge objections...because the stewards do their jobs without being asked ..

....and would most likely have taken SL down.

 Meanwhile i dont think anyone is anything but duly impressed with the run Forever Young put in.....those who faded the japanese contingents overall simply because they are stuck in a status quo state of mind,  have had to be cruelly awakened from the deep sleep they've been in, since the world has watched their rise all over the planet in horse racing in general, turf and dirt.  Like how could anyone not have noticed by now?   Dont underestimate the huge % of u.s. cappers  who only watch u.s. racing ... they would not have noticed is my guess. 

Plus Forever Young has the most amazing personality with his human fans that we watched in the workouts.  That was pretty endearing....  Hard not to fall hard for a horse who seems to " have it all"....

[thebobtailnag]

I'm not sure about this but I believe that if no one claimed a foul on Gaffilione, even if they saw the foul (Which I'm sure they did) I think the CD Sewards don't have the authority to call it on their own. If they could I don't think they would call it anyway. The last thing CD would want is a disqualification in the Kentucky Derby - even if it's on the horse that finishes second.

[spiderjohn]

The dq was warranted—remember we are not talking about dqing the winner…..
Stewards on their own should have had an inquiry

Wouldn’t have changed anything my way, other than I keyed 2 and 11
Horizontally and vertically—definitely caused 2 or 11 the win and place—isn’t that significant for something?

[eye123]

Asked why no claim of foul was made after the race, owner Susumu Fujita’s racing manager, Hiroshi Ando, told Churchill Downs, “Claims of foul do not happen much in Japan. It is the stewards’ call, not us.”



Ando said that trainer Yoshito Yahagi was disappointed Forever Young lost, but “how he ran his race made us so proud.”



Class act from the Japanese contingent.           Compare that to some of the daily questionable "objections" we get to see over here. (And don't get me started on our American stewards....sometimes you wonder if they are looking at the races at all..or are just incompetent)

[1hooper]

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[Deleted]

that should be
automatic days

[1hooper]

Love the transparency.

"Chief steward Barbara Borden and a spokesperson for the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission did not respond to text messages requesting an explanation".
www.horseracingnation.com/news/Should_there_have_been_a_stewards_inquiry_in_Kentucky_Derby_123

[quickcall]

Quoted from the Horseracingnation.com article written by Ron Flatter....

"“After (Sakai) jumped off the horse, he was thinking he felt something,” said Hiroshi Ando, racing manager for the Japan team that traveled to Kentucky. “They were fighting together all the way (down the stretch), not just at that moment. When they got to the top of the straight, they were fighting all the way to the wire. This is racing.”"

[Deleted]

i think my cheap
max subscription
is ending soon
so i'm about 2 watch
"black swan"

will be looking 4
racing parables

[ozzy]

I wouldn’t have benefited in any way but I felt it was racing, plain and simple. FY comes out on SL earlier off the turn and entering the stretch with only the slightest of contact, maybe a couple of times early into the stretch as well. Very true SL did lug in and bump FY but also felt FY leaned out on him as well but have not dissected the reply. Again felt the give was as good as the get therefore no change warranted.

Unsure about the touch…. Sure looks like something from this photo but can’t tell definitively from the angle. That would have by rule warranted a DQ but if the connections have no issue, why should we? The hop at the start was a bigger issue for FY than anything else that occurred in costing him in my opinion. He ran a tremendous race, much better than I ever expected, as did TO Password. Much respect to the both of them!

[1hooper]

According to a statement issued Monday by the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, Gaffalione has been ordered by stewards to attend “film review” of the race on Thursday.

“Stewards conduct film reviews routinely to review the conduct of jockeys during a race,” the KHRC statement said. “The stewards, in their discretion, can take disciplinary action against a jockey following the review.”
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/horseracing/2024/05/06/tyler-gaffalione-sierra-leone-jockey-possible-discipline-kentucky-derby/73591442007/

[mysaladdays]

As I understood it SL rider tried to left hand whip in "too close quarters" and his whip almost got tangled in FY's reins or actually did somewhat.  I had gotten that out of just re watching the race a few times and slowing it down. 

But now that I see the photo (for the first time) it still looks like that to me?

I don't think it was intentional or malicious.  I still think the inquiry sign should have at least been lit up.   I agree about not being able to suffer an other DQ in the KY Derby after what has happened in the past. 

Either way, both horses are and were true "warriors" in the race. No taking that away from them!  Hopefully they continue racing and we get to see them in action again.  Right now my $$ would be on Forever Young though.  But interested to see how T O Password goes forward, too.  Hard not to admire these Japanese horses.