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Post by shoes on Apr 26, 2023 6:54:01 GMT -5
Sun Thunder in blinkers went 4f in 48:60. Looked fine to my untrained eye.
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Post by 1hooper on Apr 26, 2023 9:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by phlierfreak on Apr 26, 2023 19:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by eye123 on Apr 27, 2023 6:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by 5wide on Apr 27, 2023 8:25:36 GMT -5
Continuar's breeze this morning might be the worst I've seen in all of the years I've been watching Derby works. He was asked, it didn't look smooth and it was slow (half in 50). Derma Sotogake (they worked together), looked better but he was also asked more than I am used to seeing and think it was 5 F in a minute (edit- make that 1:01.40). Unless this is a big fake out, I'm losing some interest in using. Apparently par for the course.
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Post by shoes on Apr 27, 2023 9:22:21 GMT -5
Continuar's breeze this morning might be the worst I've seen in all of the years I've been watching Derby works. He was asked, it didn't look smooth and it was slow (half in 50). Derma Sotogake (they worked together), looked better but he was also asked more than I am used to seeing and think it was 5 F in a minute (edit- make that 1:01.40). Unless this is a big fake out, I'm losing some interest in using. Apparently par for the course.
Thanks for posting this 5wide, I guess this was a case of "was asked more than I am used to seeing." It's also relevant that I have never seen any of the horse's other works. I also heard the liaison for Japanese racing say something similar this morning on the works show. With respect to Continuar though, I'm not sure how his work can be explained in a positive way. |
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Post by 5wide on Apr 27, 2023 9:37:08 GMT -5
Agreed, Conitinuar looks well covered by Derma Sotogake at the very least.
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Post by 1hooper on Apr 27, 2023 10:59:39 GMT -5
Thursday.
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Post by 5wide on Apr 27, 2023 22:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by mysaladdays on Apr 27, 2023 22:40:28 GMT -5
I prefer this guys videos.... he was standing next to me at oaklawn filming when rocket can was kicking and acting up ---- he's an independent I believe. Did you see that one? |
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Post by mysaladdays on Apr 27, 2023 22:50:19 GMT -5
Agreed, Conitinuar looks well covered by Derma Sotogake at the very least. As the article said, Derma "still has to show he can handle the crowds, atmosphere and fanfare that completely unraveled other highly regarded UAE winners. He needs to get the trip that so many others couldn’t get." Continuar will not lift a hair even fireworks going on around him. If the race is a war of attrition......he will get the distance. I like them both for different reasons. but I can't help but think back to Kerry Thomas articles in the past......horses have their own energy that other horses pick up on, and we are not really able to do that. We are not the horse looking the Alpha horse in the eye and then backing off. We are also not sure of who likes to "buddy up" and run alongside of other horses. There's all that horse-language stuff that we cannot handicap, yet we know it exists. |
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Post by shoes on Apr 28, 2023 9:16:36 GMT -5
I wish Kerry would include the Oaks in his work-ups, think that could potentially be more valuable. I have seen almost all of his Derby write-ups and it feels like they get more generic and less interesting each year.
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Post by 1hooper on Apr 28, 2023 10:43:07 GMT -5
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Post by Badactor on Apr 28, 2023 14:10:47 GMT -5
ケンタッキーダービーの日本人選手についてですが・・・
チャーチルダウンズ競馬場はデルマー競馬場ではありません。
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Post by eye123 on Apr 28, 2023 14:42:50 GMT -5
Soshite derumā wa chāchirudaunzu keiba-bade wa arimasen  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 20:37:12 GMT -5
chatbot says NO
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Post by eye123 on Apr 29, 2023 7:28:44 GMT -5
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Post by eye123 on Apr 29, 2023 10:12:28 GMT -5
Too much information ? A little background on the trainer of Derma Sotogate.
Otonashi, Hidetaka
Age: 67
Background:
Hidetaka Otonashi rode 84 winners as a JRA jockey between 1979 and 1993, including his sole top-class success aboard Noah No Hakobune in the 1985 Yushun Himba (Japanese Oaks). He obtained his JRA trainer licence in 1995. He has earned two other JRA Awards as the leading trainer in western Japan in 2004, and as the trainer with most total prize money in 2009 and in the following year he was crowned the JRA’s Champion Trainer. So far he has saddled a total of 904 JRA wins (as of 28 November) in his training career. Having no less than 14 wins at G1/JPN G1 level, his leading performers include Company (2009 Tenno Sho Autumn), Mikki Isle (2014 NHK Mile Cup, 2016 Mile Championship), Mikki Rocket (2018 Takarazuka Kinen), Indy Champ (2019 Yasuda Kinen and Mile Championship), Mozu Superflare (2020 Takamatsunomiya Kinen) and his current flagbearer, this year’s G1 Sprinters Stakes victor Pixie Knight.
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Post by spiderjohn on Apr 29, 2023 12:36:18 GMT -5
? Being how the Japanese runners handle the 11hour time zone change—-big difference than an 8hour change to S Cal imo.
I am tossing the horse who doesn’t seem to have settled and has worked possibly too fast. The other shipper is a complete toss.
jmo
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Post by mysaladdays on Apr 29, 2023 13:56:17 GMT -5
Kind of embarrassing that while Kate Hunter and others familiar w/Japanese style works, that many US Talking Heads didn't 'grasp' that the way these works were done is TEXTBOOK for how they do things. And was nothing to worry about. At all. By design.
I remember going thru this when Mubtaahij was galloping his butt off every day, sometimes more than once a day, oh, the horror! (de Kock has won Grade One races on something like 7 different continents, I trusted he knew what he was doing.)
Or when Casino Drive's connections explained how he ran up and down hills of wood chips......that is how he "worked out".
Not everything has to be cookie-cutter, USA style.
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Post by mysaladdays on Apr 29, 2023 14:05:27 GMT -5
? Being how the Japanese runners handle the 11hour time zone change—-big difference than an 8hour change to S Cal imo. I am tossing the horse who doesn’t seem to have settled and has worked possibly too fast. The other shipper is a complete toss. jmo They don't call Yahagi "sensei" over there for no reason. So, I'm more likely to throw Continuar on my ticket ala Animal Kingdom than I am to use Derma Sotogake I can't totally ignore trainer Yahagi, he's been in US racing before, too. Or a family 8f stamina horse with RF (rasmussen factor). (Same family as Soul Choice, Soul Choice - Redoute's Choice/Thislilsoulofmine (CAN) who won the G1 GTC Oaks. (her dam, Thislilsoulofmine, is being bred to Essential Quality!......we need to keep our eyes open for that foal!!!!) Soul Choice FIPKE bred - Gai Waterhouse trained, made a lot of noise at Royal Randwick. I saw the RF inbreeding to Best In Show (broodmare of the year 1982 and reines de course mare) who was also the dam of Blush with Pride .) Best In Show was one reason I liked Tacitus and Greatest Honour. Anyway, if the race falls apart, Continuar will still be running at the end. He's a grinder, and very focussed. He is a cool customer, won't lift a hair, crowds, noise......betcha you can let off firecrackers next to him and Continuar wouldn't tense a muscle. Derma would be head-tossing all over the place, IMHO. For me it's always given that 80% of the derby field are probably 8.5F-9F horses "at heart" and what we call pretenders. Sometimes I DO play around with the mare conduit numbers (just another tool in the toolbox, ya know): 4-6-3- 12-5 Speed 10 Stamina 17 Triads 13- 21-20
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 14:58:27 GMT -5
"In essence, in some ways, the KY Derby is about survival."
maybe in MANY ways?
work schedule interruptions
nails lying around
post position
shitty horselet next to yours
shadows
that bulls player's daughter
the list goes on
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Post by 1hooper on Apr 29, 2023 21:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by mysaladdays on Apr 29, 2023 21:53:17 GMT -5
"In essence, in some ways, the KY Derby is about survival." maybe in MANY ways? work schedule interruptions nails lying around post position shitty horselet next to yours shadows that bulls player's daughter the list goes on There was a horse trainer who said something like a horse is an animal who will spend their lives looking for a way to get injured, or something like that! LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 22:37:42 GMT -5
i find it sad
but it's the game
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Post by 1hooper on May 1, 2023 11:12:39 GMT -5
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Post by eye123 on May 1, 2023 18:23:52 GMT -5
#4 Derma Not the same run as UAE...nice gallop out
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Post by shoes on May 1, 2023 20:15:56 GMT -5
That was impressive.
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