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Post by 1hooper on Mar 8, 2022 9:31:42 GMT -5
Calvin Ridley suspended 1 year for wagering $1,500 on NFL Games.
"There is nothing more fundamental to the NFL's success -- and to the reputation of everyone associated with our league -- than upholding the integrity of the game," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to Ridley notifying him of his suspension.
Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offers his last coach $100,000 per loss to improve draft position. No suspension. "Integrity of the game" indeed.
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Mar 8, 2022 9:59:56 GMT -5
Post by spanky126 on Mar 8, 2022 9:59:56 GMT -5
Goodell has been a gutless mouthpiece for the owners forever. It's his job. It is, and always has been, all about the money. I don't know the solution but as long as we are addicted to the NFL and gambling I don't see anything changing...
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Post by tex on Mar 8, 2022 14:27:29 GMT -5
Ross is accused of offering - hasn’t been proven - at least to my knowledge. Not saying he is innocent but he is until proven guilty. If that happens then you suspend or more likely force him out. It is my opinion that it may well have happened not only by him but by others in days gone by. A lot of things happen in business and sports that are unspoken. No telling what we may be amazed to find out if some folks started talking.
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Mar 8, 2022 14:36:02 GMT -5
Post by 1hooper on Mar 8, 2022 14:36:02 GMT -5
Flores worked up here for about 15 years for New England. The rumor in these parts is he has the evidence. We'll see.
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Mar 8, 2022 16:07:58 GMT -5
Post by shoes on Mar 8, 2022 16:07:58 GMT -5
If it happened in 2019, wasn't he duty bound to disclose it before now?
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Post by 1hooper on Mar 8, 2022 16:30:42 GMT -5
Good question shoes. I'm guessing we'll get more on the story after the draft.
Last month story in PFF. One of the most fascinating developments in a week full of them occurred when NFL Network, the media operation partially owned by Dolphins owner Stephen Ross, reported that an unnamed witness heard Ross offer former Dolphins coach Brian Flores $100,000 for each game he lost in 2019. The report, delivered on the air by Cameron Wolfe, became an article posted at NFL.com.
Now, the article is gone. The link is dead. The stack of news stories at NFL.com no longer includes it.
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Mar 8, 2022 17:10:25 GMT -5
Post by spanky126 on Mar 8, 2022 17:10:25 GMT -5
Meanwhile,Green Bay just gave Rogers a zillon bucks and Russel Wilson is now a Bronco! Seattle gets a ton of draft picks....I recall my Cowboys pulled something similar off in the Hershal Walker deal with Minnesota...Rogers has led GB to 1 Super Bowl. One.
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Mar 8, 2022 17:45:11 GMT -5
Post by tc on Mar 8, 2022 17:45:11 GMT -5
If it happened in 2019, wasn't he duty bound to disclose it before now? Wouldn't his duty to disclose in a timely fashion be mitigated by the fact that he was in a dependant relationship vis a vis the accused? I would hope so.
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Mar 8, 2022 18:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by spiderjohn on Mar 8, 2022 18:14:35 GMT -5
Given the timeline, wouldn’t it make The coach somewhat complicit? They did lose a lot of games back then…
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Mar 8, 2022 18:18:22 GMT -5
Post by tc on Mar 8, 2022 18:18:22 GMT -5
Given the timeline, wouldn’t it make The coach somewhat complicit? They did lose a lot of games back then… What?
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Mar 8, 2022 18:21:53 GMT -5
Post by shoes on Mar 8, 2022 18:21:53 GMT -5
If it happened in 2019, wasn't he duty bound to disclose it before now? Wouldn't his duty to disclose in a timely fashion be mitigated by the fact that he was in a dependant relationship vis a vis the accused? I would hope so. I don't really buy that defense. If your boss tells you to commit an illegal act (I know this may not break any criminal laws but it clearly violates the rules of the league), I don't think you can use the boss told me to do it and I couldn't report him defense. I think at that point your only option is to report it and resign under protest. Legally I think you'd have a great case for a constructive wrongful termination. There are many unanswered questions here and as hoop says I hope the truth is revealed whatever it is. I think tanking in some form has gone on for years in at least the NFL and NBA. The NBA addressed it in part by instituting the draft lottery instead of just giving the top pick (think Kareem back in the day) to the team with the worst record. Usually they at least try to be subtle, i.e. play the young guys instead of veterans who might give you a better chance to win, bench guys with borderline injuries etc. A blatant 100,000 per game bonus for each loss is blatant, horrible, and if established grounds for a permanent ban. Even then it's tricky because players are graded on performance and compensated either through performance clauses or their next contract, and tanking by getting a player to perform poorly seems like it would be very tough.
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Mar 8, 2022 18:54:09 GMT -5
Post by tc on Mar 8, 2022 18:54:09 GMT -5
Wouldn't his duty to disclose in a timely fashion be mitigated by the fact that he was in a dependant relationship vis a vis the accused? I would hope so. I don't really buy that defense. If your boss tells you to commit an illegal act (I know this may not break any criminal laws but it clearly violates the rules of the league), I don't think you can use the boss told me to do it and I couldn't report him defense. I think at that point your only option is to report it and resign under protest. Legally I think you'd have a great case for a constructive wrongful termination. There are many unanswered questions here and as hoop says I hope the truth is revealed whatever it is. I think tanking in some form has gone on for years in at least the NFL and NBA. The NBA addressed it in part by instituting the draft lottery instead of just giving the top pick (think Kareem back in the day) to the team with the worst record. Usually they at least try to be subtle, i.e. play the young guys instead of veterans who might give you a better chance to win, bench guys with borderline injuries etc. A blatant 100,000 per game bonus for each loss is blatant, horrible, and if established grounds for a permanent ban. Even then it's tricky because players are graded on performance and compensated either through performance clauses or their next contract, and tanking by getting a player to perform poorly seems like it would be very tough. I'm just saying that it is understandable that somebody would not report such a thing while still employed by the accused. So, the timely reporting issue that you raise should have no bearing on the matter. If, as you say, no criminal laws were broken who does he have a duty to? The public? Why? The NFL? Why? Also, why should the timing of the reporting matter? Either this happened or it did not. If it shown to have happened then there should be consequences for the owner and if this is a made up story then Flores should be sanctioned. Pretty simple.
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Mar 8, 2022 19:09:45 GMT -5
Post by shoes on Mar 8, 2022 19:09:45 GMT -5
I was asked to do something, in essence, sign off on a transaction that I thought was wrong and unethical, by my boss, the CEO of the company. I declined to do so and wrote a memo outlining my concerns. I was not fired but I certainly lost standing and hurt my career at least short term. I resigned that position 6 months later. Two years later the company was sued in connection with the transaction in question, including all officers (of which I was one). I had saved the documents including my on the record objections. I was dismissed from the suit. I felt strongly then and do today that each of us has a responsibility when in a position of trust to object. Flores may be 100 percent vindicated, I do not know the facts, I was just suggesting that to only bring it up 2 years later, after he was fired, is inherently suspect.
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Mar 8, 2022 19:33:49 GMT -5
Post by tc on Mar 8, 2022 19:33:49 GMT -5
I was asked to do something, in essence, sign off on a transaction that I thought was wrong and unethical, by my boss, the CEO of the company. I declined to do so and wrote a memo outlining my concerns. I was not fired but I certainly lost standing and hurt my career at least short term. I resigned that position 6 months later. Two years later the company was sued in connection with the transaction in question, including all officers (of which I was one). I had saved the documents including my on the record objections. I was dismissed from the suit. I felt strongly then and do today that each of us has a responsibility when in a position of trust to object. Flores may be 100 percent vindicated, I do not know the facts, I was just suggesting that to only bring it up 2 years later, after he was fired, is inherently suspect. Shoes, you certainly did the right thing in the life example that you shared above. I wholeheartedly commend you for doing what you did. I'm sure it must have been a difficult thing to do given the circumstances. All I'm trying to say is that because doing the right thing is not always easy we should not be making it even harder on people by imposing time limits for disclosure. Sure, had he disclosed when it happened that would have been preferable. However, let us not ignore the multiple sources of inequities between the parties here. Regardless of the timing of the disclosure issue, I think that we can both agree that the facts should decide how all this plays out. We shall see.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:20:58 GMT -5
Post by 1hooper on Mar 8, 2022 20:20:58 GMT -5
I look at it as Flores did not file until after he had suffered damages.
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Mar 9, 2022 8:26:05 GMT -5
Post by shoes on Mar 9, 2022 8:26:05 GMT -5
tc and hoop- Your points are well taken.
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Mar 9, 2022 9:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by spiderjohn on Mar 9, 2022 9:28:41 GMT -5
Not following this closely, and not much info out there that I know of. Seems like typical pro sports legal wrangling, and not much different than past issues.
Tanking is not new, and has been assumed for quite a while in the pros. If the guy was paid(or offered to be paid) to lose, and sat quietly on it for two years(while losing consistently in 2019), that speaks for itself imo.
Trying to dirty a current sour grapes legal suit with more allegations probably only spreads the damage around more.
NFL coaches who have come up through the system know how it works and are well-compensated to be a part of it.
Not sure that I see a “victim” here……
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Mar 9, 2022 10:27:10 GMT -5
Post by 1hooper on Mar 9, 2022 10:27:10 GMT -5
Goodell Integrity.
(Bloomberg) -- Billionaire Stephen Ross has invested in the sports gambling startup the Action Network, yet another move by a National Football League owner to capitalize on the growing trend of legal sports betting.
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Mar 9, 2022 12:29:38 GMT -5
Post by spanky126 on Mar 9, 2022 12:29:38 GMT -5
Whatever happened to the good ole days with men with some degree of honesty and integrity? A good example being Dandy Don Meredith. There are many examples.I think rhe NFL player that was the greatest example of a true hero was Pat Tillman. He deserves the highest award given imo.
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Post by 1hooper on Mar 19, 2022 10:35:58 GMT -5
Want more NFL integrity? Deshaun Watson.
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Post by spanky126 on Mar 19, 2022 12:31:06 GMT -5
Is it me or does it seem like Baker Mayfield just can't catch a break. Cleveland is a very interesting city. Bengals. Browns. Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Deshaun Watson now has to wade through a dozen or so civil lawsuits from women say he abused them Goodell needs to get a grip on things. Watson has gained entry into the Women's Abuser Hall of Fame along with Bill Cosby.
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Post by cherokeescot on Mar 19, 2022 12:35:10 GMT -5
It’s you
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Post by spanky126 on Mar 23, 2022 20:02:27 GMT -5
touche Mr Hendry. Low hangin' fruit. Tyreek Hill traded to the Dolphins. The Chiefs get 5 draft picks. He's in your backyard Bev.
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