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Post by 1hooper on May 11, 2021 21:43:11 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm who the vet is? I assume it is his CA vet but have not seen the name in print. Still Dr Baker? Dr Hore is not licensed in CA.
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Post by eye123 on May 11, 2021 21:48:40 GMT -5
In an interview following Tuesday's statement, Robertson declined to name the veterinarian that Baffert's statement indicated as recommending the use of the ointment.
"I don’t know that I want to answer that question. I don’t want to be perceived as me or Bob throwing that veterinarian under the bus," Robertson said.
Asked if Hore had cleared the use of Otomax, he replied: "I don't know that the veterinarian that recommended it consulted Dr. Hore."
Hore didn't immediately return a telephone message seeking comment.
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Post by ozzy on May 11, 2021 21:56:51 GMT -5
I assume Vince Baker too but don’t know. Michael Hore is a surgeon out of Hagyard who Baffert announced as his overseer following the positives last fall.
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Post by 1hooper on May 12, 2021 7:33:47 GMT -5
I was told by a reliable source this morning the vet is Dr Baker. Where is the racing press on this? The national press will probably break something soon.
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Post by 1hooper on May 12, 2021 7:55:15 GMT -5
Will one of Baker's subordinates take the heat?
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Post by 5wide on May 12, 2021 8:02:17 GMT -5
so if they're not cheaters then they're just incompetent. Either way not a good look.
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Post by forego on May 12, 2021 9:35:49 GMT -5
so if they're not cheaters then they're just incompetent. Either way not a good look. Pulled from an article on Bloodhorse's site... "Kentucky also requires a horse's medical records at the time of entry, listing all treatments for the past 14 days." So, Baffert failed to list the ointment medication when entered? Or he did and it was overlooked and absolutely none of these folk knew it contained Betamethasone? Then big Bob immediately dug into it and discovered the ointment contained the drug that everyone else missed? Or it was used to mask something else that was administered, and this is all a charade to deflect and avoid a deeper dive into his operations. Incompetence? It took how long before Armstrong's operations finally were revealed?
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Post by 5wide on May 12, 2021 9:53:34 GMT -5
so if they're not cheaters then they're just incompetent. Either way not a good look. Pulled from an article on Bloodhorse's site... "Kentucky also requires a horse's medical records at the time of entry, listing all treatments for the past 14 days." So, Baffert failed to list the ointment medication when entered? Or he did and it was overlooked and absolutely none of these folk knew it contained Betamethasone? Then big Bob immediately dug into it and discovered the ointment contained the drug that everyone else missed? Or it was used to mask something else that was administered, and this is all a charade to deflect and avoid a deeper dive into his operations. Incompetence? It took how long before Armstrong's operations finally were revealed? I was being kind, I've already stated I think he's a cheater.
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Post by forego on May 12, 2021 10:08:48 GMT -5
Sorry, please know that I wasn't knocking you at all 5wide. I know you were trying to be kind.
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Post by 5wide on May 12, 2021 11:09:36 GMT -5
no worries Bro.
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Post by ozzy on May 13, 2021 8:21:05 GMT -5
A Louisville outlet aired and printed a story(Eric Crawford WDRB) linked photos to the CD stall agreement which was signed by Baffert and later his KY vet, a gentlemen a know well and hold in high esteem. I hope there isn’t anyone trying to malign him given MS didn’t arrive at CD until Derby week and the co tract was signed 4/14.
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Post by ozzy on May 13, 2021 8:26:12 GMT -5
I think the actual positive has little to no impact on the race but I did find this stat pasted below from a TDN article very telling... something definitely does not compute....
Let's compare Baffert to his peers in terms of elite-level competition. In 2020-21, only five North American trainers each started more graded stakes starters than Baffert. They are Steve Asmussen, Chad Brown, Mark Casse, Mike Maker and Todd Pletcher.
Collectively, those five trainers started 8,860 total horses in 2020 and so far through 2021. According to the Association of Racing Commissioners International rulings database, none of them has triggered a medication positive during the same time frame that Baffert racked up five of them from 449 starters.
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Post by gam on May 13, 2021 8:58:12 GMT -5
so if they're not cheaters then they're just incompetent. Either way not a good look. So, Baffert failed to list the ointment medication when entered? Or he did and it was overlooked and absolutely none of these folk knew it contained Betamethasone? Then big Bob immediately dug into it and discovered the ointment contained the drug that everyone else missed? Or it was used to mask something else that was administered, and this is all a charade to deflect and avoid a deeper dive into his operations. My guess is that horse never got the ointment. I believe after the positive test, they had to come up with an explanation for the positive test.
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Post by tims70ar on May 13, 2021 14:06:36 GMT -5
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Post by eye123 on May 13, 2021 14:38:04 GMT -5
At the odds and not having the med in his system, I'll pass and go elsewhere. Not going to run better without it, could run worse. At 2-1 or so not for me. Now,how does Baffert play this....MS to the front with Concert Tour sitting off him outside? We saw how that worked (Concert Tour) in his last. I'll be looking at a couple of prices here.
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Post by forego on May 13, 2021 16:29:17 GMT -5
Racing needs a new face if Baffert is it. Would seem DWL ignores or totally misses the bigger picture, beyond the point that yet another Baffert runner had a drug violation. And if DWL doesn't think an anti-inflammatory can't help your performance, he's totally lost it. My creaky back and knee will attest to the wonders that a few Advil or tylenol make in "my performance" before heading out to play a round a of golf.
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Post by tims70ar on May 14, 2021 10:46:29 GMT -5
Another take on Lukas...............
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Post by gam on May 14, 2021 11:01:10 GMT -5
Wow. Been meaning to check Cox’s Twitter to see what he thinks.
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Post by mattcoll on May 14, 2021 11:11:56 GMT -5
That Brad Cox tweet is hilarious.
I genuinely have no idea how Baffert is percieved by other owners, trainers, etc. I read some racing websites but don't do twitter. If I don't hear others speaking out I assume they:
1) Think it would be bad for the sport if they said harsh things about him 2) Are just as guilty
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Post by cherokeescot on May 14, 2021 11:53:02 GMT -5
That wasn’t Brad Cox 😜
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Post by gam on May 14, 2021 12:21:10 GMT -5
Kevin Cox, AKA, the Brooklyn Cowboy. Handicaps NYRA for Saratogabets/Bataviabets.
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Post by mattcoll on May 14, 2021 13:35:19 GMT -5
"That wasn’t Brad Cox 😜"
Ha ha! I'm an idiot. And therefore I definitely shouldn't do twitter. It didn't even cross my mind that Brad Cox would have to be squeaky clean to throw rocks in that glass house.
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