Thought and Opinions

[fiestyswitch]

I am looking for some thoughts and opinions on a couple of stallions for my mare.
She is God's Love 2010, Dam is Mari's Princess and sire is A Giant Valentine.

Stallion 1
Ain't Bad At All 2010 Dam Ain't Half Bad Sire Anziyan

Stallion 2
Pass The Butter 2015 Dam Sunday Money Sire Oxbow

[1hooper]

Are you planning to race the foal?
I assume the midwest circuit.
Tough business plan with the names mentioned. Expenses vs purses.

[elkurzhal]

www.pedigreequery.com/gods+love

www.pedigreequery.com/aint+bad+at+all

www.pedigreequery.com/pass+the+butter

Looks like God's Love was one of 12 foals out of Mari's Princess. Looks like only 5 of 12 were winners and 3 of them earned more than $50k.

Sire A Giant Valentine wasn't much of a runner 10-0-1-1 but his dam was a grade 3 winner.  He stood in Indiana then Kentucky.   Only notable offspring is Here Comes Jigs (OH) who earned over 150k by placing in a couple Ohio Bred stakes.

Best financial chance would be to make sure you end up with an Indiana or Ohio bred.   I would say Indiana's program is currently a little weaker on horses and stronger on purses. 

True nicks seems to like Ready's Image www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/134024/readys-image

www.truenicks.com/free-reports/hypothetical-mating/display?stallionReferenceNumber=7414721&mareReferenceNumber=9029643&mareName=God%27s%20Love

I might take a shot with Pataky Kid  www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/169089/pataky-kid

he is $1500 and produced a few decent runners in very limited breading so far.

www.truenicks.com/free-reports/hypothetical-mating/display?stallionReferenceNumber=8826949&mareReferenceNumber=9029643&mareName=God%27s%20Love

[1hooper]

Good post Elk.
Would help if fiestyswitch would give us more to go on. I think he could breed to Ky stallions and still get a Indiana or Ohio bred. I'll check the rules.

[fiestyswitch]

I live in New Mexico and cannot ship my mare. These two stallions are the two available. I don't have a fee on these two so the only expenses are training and what it takes to get a foal to the track if they prove they want to run.

[fiestyswitch]

I do appreciate the research on the other stallions, they are great matches. If I could afford that upfront I would but I can't.

[fiestyswitch]

Ain't Bad At All nicks with her as a B Variant 1.63

Pass The Butter nicks with her as a C variant 1.16

If there's more I can give you I would like to know.

[1hooper]

You are in New Mexico.
Is the mare in New Mexico?
Trying to come up with the best options for a limited budget.
Looking for a state bred program?
A no fee or low fee stallion is rarely the least expensive long term choice.

[fiestyswitch]

Yes the mare is in New Mexico. If Pass The Butter is the stallion I will participate in state bred programs. Probably will either way. But Pass the Butter's foal wouldn't go into training until at least 3. He is over 18 hands and has problems because he was worked too hard too early. Had he been allowed to mature I believe he would have done better.

[fiestyswitch]

But state bred programs are not my end goal no.

[1hooper]

Keep it simple,inbreed to Giants Causeway 3X3 and hope for the best. News from last year. www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/236528/justin-phillip-sold-to-new-mexico-farm
Best of luck.

[elkurzhal]

must have been a good response to Justin Phillip in NM, that article from last Oct said $3000, and he's listed at $5000 now, co-highest cover in the state.

feisty - if it's just the option of those two, I think you answered your question in a previous post. your best chance to have some fun and not get hurt financially is to have a sound and healthy foal/horse. You mentioned Pass the Butter's size and that it caused him problems. To many unknowns to take the risk on a known issue like that, so I would go with the other one...

[1hooper]

One more. www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/american-anthem-to-stand-in-new-mexico/