|
|
Post by cherokeescot on Nov 22, 2023 5:43:55 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by cherokeescot on Nov 22, 2023 5:51:40 GMT -5
I’m going with $5 on each of these
#2 Bentornato 30/1
#5 Booth 50/1
#21 Merit 99/1
#31 Sierra Leone 80/1
Only going with horses that have worked recently.
I figure that if you are not showing any November works then there might be a problem .
|
|
1hooper
UpInClass Steward
Posts: 6,749
|
Post by 1hooper on Nov 22, 2023 10:25:39 GMT -5
Will dabble in the sire pool.
|
|
|
|
Post by Badactor on Nov 22, 2023 10:56:22 GMT -5
1. Awesome Road Brad Cox Quality Road 80-1
2. Bentornato Jose D'Angelo Valiant Minister 30-1
3. Bergen Brad Cox Quality Road 80-1
4. Billal Bill Mott Street Sense 99-1
5. Booth Steve Asmussen Mitole 50-1
6. Carbone Steve Asmussen Mitole 80-1
7. Catching Freedom Brad Cox Constitution 50-1
8. Copper Tax Gary Capuano Copper Bullet 50-1
9. Dancing Groom Antonio Sano Vino Rosso 99-1
10. Domestic Product Chad Brown Practial Joke 80-1
11. Dornoch Danny Gargan Good Magic 30-1
12. Drum Roll Please Brad Cox Hard Spun 80-1
13. Fierceness Todd Pletcher City of Light 15-1
14. Glengarry Doug Anderson Maximus Mischief 80-1
15. Informed Patriot Steve Asmussen Hard Spun 80-1
16. Kitty Hawk Vickie Oliver Not This Time 99-1
17. Knightsbridge Bill Mott Nyquist 50-1
18. Liberal Arts Robbie Medina Arrogate 30-1
19. Lightline Brad Cox City of Light 99-1
20. Locked Todd Pletcher Gun Runner 30-1
21. Merit Saffie Joseph Jr. Mastery 99-1
22. Moonlight Todd Pletcher Audible 99-1
23. Mystik Dan Kenny McPeek Goldencents 80-1
24. Nash Brad Cox Medaglia d'Oro 20-1
25. Nutella Fella Gary Contessa Runhappy 50-1
26. Otto the Conqueror Steve Asmussen Street Sense 99-1
27. Parchment Party Bill Mott Constitution 99-1
28. Private Desire Todd Pletcher Constitution 99-1
29. Real Men Violin Kenny McPeek Mendelssohn 99-1
30. Risk It Steve Asmussen Gun Runner 30-1
31. Sierra Leone Chad Brown Gun Runner 80-1
32. Stolen Magic Linda Rice Good Magic 99-1
33. Stretch Ride Dale Romans Street Sense 80-1
34. Stronghold Phil D'Amato Ghostzapper 99-1
35. The Wine Steward Mike Maker Vino Rosso 60-1
36. Timberlake Brad Cox Into Mischief 40-1
37. West Saratoga Larry Demeritte Exaggerator 99-1
38. Where's Chris Richard Dutrow Twirling Candy 80-1
39. All 2yo Fillies 80-1
40. All other 2yo Males 4-5
Sire Morning Line Odds
1. American Pharoah 40-1
2. Arrogate 25-1
3. Audible 50-1
4. Bernardini 80-1
5. Bolt d'Oro 20-1
6. Cairo Prince 50-1
7. Candy Ride 30-1
8. City of Light 30-1
9. Classic Empire 99-1
10. Constitution 60-1
11. Curlin 15-1
12. Flameaway 90-1
13. Ghostzapper 20-1
14. Good Magic 30-1
15. Gun Runner 15-1
16. Hard Spun 50-1
17. Into Mischief 8-1
18. Justify 15-1
19. Liam's Map 50-1
20. Malibu Moon 99-1
21. Maximus Mischief 99-1
22. Medaglia d'Oro 80-1
23. Mitole 80-1
24. More than Ready 99-1
25. Munnings 80-1
26. Not This Time 50-1
27. Nyquist 80-1
28. Omaha Beach 80-1
29. Practical Joke 30-1
30. Quality Road 50-1
31. Runhappy 20-1
32. Speightstown 80-1
33. Street Sense 50-1
34. Tapit 20-1
35. Uncle Mo 25-1
36. Union Rags 99-1
37. Vino Rosso 80-1
38. Violence 25-1
39. War Front 99-1
40. All other sires 6-1
|
|
|
|
Post by Badactor on Nov 22, 2023 11:04:10 GMT -5
Goldencents, 2013 Sham Stakes, Santa Anita Derby winner & Kevin Krigger    Interesting that Goldencents (Into Mischief) is not represented in the Sire Pool. McPeek has won everything except the Kentucky Derby... is that right?  I'm on 🐴#23 MYSTIK DAN (Goldencents) |
|
|
|
Post by cherokeescot on Nov 22, 2023 12:04:49 GMT -5
Thanks Dell looks like the Sire bet on Mitole at 80-1 is better value for me as Booth is only 50-1 and I get Carbone 80-1 for free !
|
|
docd
UpInClass Member
"Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money." -Tom T Hall
Posts: 1,685
|
Post by docd on Nov 22, 2023 12:15:24 GMT -5
Thanks Dell looks like the Sire bet on Mitole at 80-1 is better value for me as Booth is only 50-1 and I get Carbone 80-1 for free ! If Vino Rosso 80/1 is near that I'm in. |
|
|
|
Post by merasmag on Nov 22, 2023 22:49:56 GMT -5
i'll do dancing groom horselet and mitole sire. and city of light @30-1
|
|
|
|
Post by UpInClass on Nov 23, 2023 14:22:03 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Badactor on Nov 23, 2023 18:51:38 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by mysaladdays on Nov 23, 2023 20:04:13 GMT -5
Was tempted to do sire Vino Rosso, I loved him, but decided on Classic Empire (72-1), despite he disappointed me in 2022 when I thought would hit. And Street Sense (57-1). Edit: added Gun Runner and Constitution before pool closed. But I love looking at the odds and how people seem to pick many because of trainer. Sometimes that works. Then you see the horses who maybe the trainer doesn't know much about pedigree of the horse, like LIBERAL ARTS----- strikes me as a late developer like Hopportunity who I would consider as a 4 year old ---- yet owenrship seems to be using him up already --- 5 races as a 2 year old. So, that one won't make my list. One I like so far is Merit. (99-1) If you look thru 20+ or so years of KY Derby races, plenty of RAN/NAS sirelines win or place in the KY Derby. (I use pedigree more in the Belmont, since KY Derby is really more of a chaos race, but it doesn't hurt to look over the first few generations in their lines). Also like Otto the Conqueror (99-1). Lightline (99-1). Risk It (69-1). Stolen Magic (99-1), Copper Tax (88-1)(won't be many more of these w/Royal Charger in the pedigree, I was pretty sad when Brilliant Speed got struck by lightning and ArchArchArch broke down in the KY Derby  ) I will add Mystik Dan (72-1) but looks like miler material. So will look for a few more......will come back to this later. Not sure I see derby winners here yet but prep race winners galore. One other horse stood out to me for playing in the stakes races at Oaklawn. (my home track!). Based on what I see in him, I would be using Dornoch liberally there if he comes, which I'm sure he will. I doubt I would use him win KY Derb though. Perfect for oaklawn though. |
|
|
|
Post by merasmag on Nov 23, 2023 20:44:57 GMT -5
Selections
01:59 AM
KY Derby Futures
R2
PLACED 6:12PM - 11/23/2023
$2.00 Win
$18.00 TICKET
$39.82 - $475.72
APPROX. PAYOUT
1
Awesome Road
10
Domestic Product
15
Informed Patriot
18
Liberal Arts
22
Moonlight
29
Real Men Violin
30
Risk It
31
Sierra Leone
38
Where's Chris
Hide details
01:59 AM
KY Derby Futures
R2
PLACED 5:52PM - 11/23/2023
$2.00 Win
$2.00 TICKET
$282.38
APPROX. PAYOUT
9
Dancing Groom
0 MTP
KY Derby Sire Futures
R1
PLACED 5:51PM - 11/23/2023
$2.00 Win
$4.00 TICKET
$29.02 - $113.26
APPROX. PAYOUT
8
City Of Light
23
Mitole
Hide details
|
|
|
|
Post by mysaladdays on Nov 24, 2023 1:25:02 GMT -5
McPeek has won everything except the Kentucky Derby... is that right? I'm on 🐴#23 MYSTIK DANyou and I often pick the same longshots. Into The Mystic is also one of my favorite van morrison songs. So I had to include. Good luck to us. I'm not sure about McPeek. IMHO he tends to over-race them while trying to figure them out. He needs to figure them out sooner. How he handled Classic Causeway really upset me, but this seems like something he does quite often. I have little confidence in him anymore but he does well in the prep races. |
|
|
|
Post by cherokeescot on Nov 24, 2023 15:25:10 GMT -5
It sure how much money is in the pool but Bentornato is currently only 8-1 😳
|
|
|
|
Post by mysaladdays on Nov 24, 2023 18:45:01 GMT -5
It sure how much money is in the pool but Bentornato is currently only 8-1 😳 27-1 here, but about 5th or 6th lowest odds right now Lowest odds looking right now is Fierceness, Locked, Knightsbridge, Nash, and of course ALL OTHERS. I wanted to use Locked because I like him a lot (thought he might be in my top 5 derby horses) but no-can-do any horse under 20-1 in a future pool, esp. not one this early. |
|
docd
UpInClass Member
"Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money." -Tom T Hall
Posts: 1,685
|
Post by docd on Nov 25, 2023 11:01:01 GMT -5
Are the sire futures still open?I no longer see them on NYRA Bets.They have the individuals up.
TY
|
|
|
|
Post by Badactor on Nov 25, 2023 11:43:53 GMT -5
|
|
1hooper
UpInClass Steward
Posts: 6,749
|
Post by 1hooper on Nov 26, 2023 14:06:03 GMT -5
These first crop sires if above 50-1 at 5:30.
Maximus Mischief
Omaha Beach
Vino Rosso
|
|
|
|
Post by merasmag on Nov 27, 2023 0:42:56 GMT -5
happy bout realmenviolin
|
|
|
|
Post by cherokeescot on Nov 27, 2023 7:28:33 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Badactor on Nov 30, 2023 12:17:05 GMT -5
PonyGirl Picks:
KY Derby Future2 $2 WIN
13 Fierceness, 22 Moonlight, 28 Private Desire, 30 Risk It, 32 Stolen Magic
Derby Dell Selections:
KY Derby Future2 $2 WIN
3 Bergen, 23 Mystik Dan, 25 Nutella Fella
KY Derby Future2 $3 WIN
23 Mystik Dan
KY Derby Future2 $1 EXA(BOX)
3 Bergen, 23 Mystik Dan, 25 Nutella Fella
KY Derby Future2 $1 EXA(BOX)
23 Mystik Dan, 40 All Others
Kentucky Derby Sire Future1 $1 EXA(BOX)
19 Liam's Map, 31 Runhappy, 40 All Others
|
|
ozzy
UpInClass Member
Posts: 855
|
Post by ozzy on Dec 12, 2023 21:25:40 GMT -5
Was tempted to do sire Vino Rosso, I loved him, but decided on Classic Empire (72-1), despite he disappointed me in 2022 when I thought would hit. And Street Sense (57-1). Edit: added Gun Runner and Constitution before pool closed. But I love looking at the odds and how people seem to pick many because of trainer. Sometimes that works. Then you see the horses who maybe the trainer doesn't know much about pedigree of the horse, like LIBERAL ARTS----- strikes me as a late developer like Hopportunity who I would consider as a 4 year old ---- yet owenrship seems to be using him up already --- 5 races as a 2 year old. So, that one won't make my list. One I like so far is Merit. (99-1) If you look thru 20+ or so years of KY Derby races, plenty of RAN/NAS sirelines win or place in the KY Derby. (I use pedigree more in the Belmont, since KY Derby is really more of a chaos race, but it doesn't hurt to look over the first few generations in their lines). Also like Otto the Conqueror (99-1). Lightline (99-1). Risk It (69-1). Stolen Magic (99-1), Copper Tax (88-1)(won't be many more of these w/Royal Charger in the pedigree, I was pretty sad when Brilliant Speed got struck by lightning and ArchArchArch broke down in the KY Derby ) I will add Mystik Dan (72-1) but looks like miler material. So will look for a few more......will come back to this later. Not sure I see derby winners here yet but prep race winners galore. One other horse stood out to me for playing in the stakes races at Oaklawn. (my home track!). Based on what I see in him, I would be using Dornoch liberally there if he comes, which I'm sure he will. I doubt I would use him win KY Derb though. Perfect for oaklawn though. Saw you bet Classic Empire in the sire future. Anyone know for sure what’s going on with him? He was not listed on the Coolmore roster and I’ve heard Japan, but can’t confirm. I’ve also heard Korea which comes from a more credible source but no official announcement…. |
|
|
|
Post by spiderjohn on Dec 13, 2023 13:25:12 GMT -5
Didn’t play but wish that I would have
Maybe LOCKED @ 30-1
And really like an unlisted 2yo PIRATE
|
|
|
|
Post by mysaladdays on Dec 17, 2023 9:06:07 GMT -5
Didn’t play but wish that I would have Maybe LOCKED @ 30-1 And really like an unlisted 2yo PIRATE Months ago he was going to be my "derby horse" but then i saw pletcher, and this one started early and not sure I can trust he will be brought along patiently and then peak at correct time in May So I will sit on him for a whille. |
|
|
|
Post by mysaladdays on Dec 17, 2023 9:07:37 GMT -5
Was tempted to do sire Vino Rosso, I loved him, but decided on Classic Empire (72-1), despite he disappointed me in 2022 when I thought would hit. And Street Sense (57-1). Edit: added Gun Runner and Constitution before pool closed. But I love looking at the odds and how people seem to pick many because of trainer. Sometimes that works. Then you see the horses who maybe the trainer doesn't know much about pedigree of the horse, like LIBERAL ARTS----- strikes me as a late developer like Hopportunity who I would consider as a 4 year old ---- yet owenrship seems to be using him up already --- 5 races as a 2 year old. So, that one won't make my list. One I like so far is Merit. (99-1) If you look thru 20+ or so years of KY Derby races, plenty of RAN/NAS sirelines win or place in the KY Derby. (I use pedigree more in the Belmont, since KY Derby is really more of a chaos race, but it doesn't hurt to look over the first few generations in their lines). Also like Otto the Conqueror (99-1). Lightline (99-1). Risk It (69-1). Stolen Magic (99-1), Copper Tax (88-1)(won't be many more of these w/Royal Charger in the pedigree, I was pretty sad when Brilliant Speed got struck by lightning and ArchArchArch broke down in the KY Derby ) I will add Mystik Dan (72-1) but looks like miler material. So will look for a few more......will come back to this later. Not sure I see derby winners here yet but prep race winners galore. One other horse stood out to me for playing in the stakes races at Oaklawn. (my home track!). Based on what I see in him, I would be using Dornoch liberally there if he comes, which I'm sure he will. I doubt I would use him win KY Derb though. Perfect for oaklawn though. Saw you bet Classic Empire in the sire future. Anyone know for sure what’s going on with him? He was not listed on the Coolmore roster and I’ve heard Japan, but can’t confirm. I’ve also heard Korea which comes from a more credible source but no official announcement…. Dunno. but thanks for the heads up. i had a feeling about him so I just put in a small wager. I thought his progeny would hit in 2022 but they did not. |
|
) 