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Post by turffan on Jul 12, 2023 18:38:05 GMT -5
… and the Chadster trains 4 of them.
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Post by quickcall on Jul 12, 2023 21:11:06 GMT -5
Who wants to see that? Very sad.
NYRA should do better than that at The Spa.
It'll never happen, but I'd love to see a limit on stall space for trainers like in the old days, before the 'pletcher' era.
Betting was much more fun back then, for me anyway. I miss those days.
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Post by mysaladdays on Jul 14, 2023 11:15:29 GMT -5
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Post by 1hooper on Jul 14, 2023 11:43:52 GMT -5
Hypothetical ? Would anyone run if it came off the turf?
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Post by tenfurlongs on Jul 14, 2023 12:18:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure that I get what the fuss is all about, unless it is an anti-Chad bias. The four horses are owned separately, so they are separate betting interests. If they had four different trainers, would there be an outcry? Are bettors worried that Chad is somehow colluding with...who?...to do...what? If I'm an owner, am I worried that Chad is undertraining my horse so another owner can win? I'd pull him from the barn instantly.
I think the lack of other entries is because no one wants to face In Italian, when they can run elsewhere. The other three owners are making the race go. A better question to ask is why do the owners of top horses, especially turf runners, all want Chad Brown to train their animals? Has he got better feed, or vets, or bedding, or grooms, than everyone else? I'm pretty sure Graham Motion, Christophe Clement, Shug, or Arnaud Delacour haven't forgotten how to train overnight. Black type drives the breeding industry.
I don't want to see five horse races all the time, certainly don't want to bet many of them. But IMO this is a very infrequent occurrence, though unfortunate. Just very visible when it's a Grade I on a Saturday. If you don't like it, don't bet on it. Vote with your wallet. NYRA can't/won't cancel a graded stake, a given race would lose its graded ranking (by rule) after that happened a few times. All ears if someone has a logical solution.
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Post by 1hooper on Jul 14, 2023 12:47:09 GMT -5
From NYS Gaming.
§ 4025.10. Limitations on entries.
Rules and Regulations Chapter I (Division of Horse Racing and Pari-Mutuel Wagering) Subchapter A (Thoroughbred Racing) 9 NYCRR §§ 4000-4082.3
(a) A horse whose managing owner is a partnership cannot be entered or run in the name, whether real or stable, of an individual partner unless that individual's interest or property in the racing qualities of that horse is equal to at least 25 percent.
(b) All horses in common ownership as defined in subdivision (e) of section 4026.2 of this article (i.e., having any common managing owner) or subdivision (c) of section 4026.3 of this article (i.e., in which there is a 25 percent commonality among nonmanaging owners) must be coupled and run as an entry.
(c) Not more than two horses trained by the same person shall be drawn into any overnight race, or on the also-eligible list, to the exclusion of another horse.
(d) A maximum of two horses trained by the same trainer may race uncoupled in any race provided the entries do not have common ownership as set forth in subdivision (b) of this section.
(e) The commission steward may require any horses entered in a race to be coupled for betting purposes prior to the commencement of wagering on-track and off-track, if such steward finds it necessary in the public interest.
(f) All horses trained or ridden by a spouse, parent, issue or member of a jockey's household are not required to be coupled in the betting with any horse ridden by such jockey.
(g) Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivisions (b) and (d) of this section, no entry shall be coupled by reason of common ownership or training in any stakes race in which the gross purse is $50,000 or more, provided however that the provisions of subdivision (e) of this section shall continue to be applicable in any such races. In any race subject to the provisions of this subdivision, the racing secretary shall have the authority to establish a mutuel field and coupled entries in any race with more than 14 starters. When this subdivision permits two or more horses to race without being coupled and run as one entry, the racetrack operator shall take such actions as are necessary to inform the public adequately with regard to the common ownership and/or trainer that would otherwise require such horses to be coupled as a single betting interest pursuant to this section.
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Post by 1hooper on Jul 14, 2023 17:03:11 GMT -5
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Post by docd on Jul 15, 2023 5:43:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's fair to fault NYRA or CB.In Italian scares away everyone else.At least Casse has a pair.This race would not run if CB doesn't fund it.The other chickenshit trainers with legit contenders don't want to waist a run.Hey guys,this horse can be beat...they all can be beat.And where are the Euros?Was a time they would come with a nice one and a good rabbit and try to win.Now a days they are just too afraid to loose.
JMHO
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Post by tenfurlongs on Jul 15, 2023 6:22:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's fair to fault NYRA or CB.In Italian scares away everyone else.At least Casse has a pair.This race would not run if CB doesn't fund it.The other chickenshit trainers with legit contenders don't want to waist a run.Hey guys,this horse can be beat...they all can be beat.And where are the Euros?Was a time they would come with a nice one and a good rabbit and try to win.Now a days they are just too afraid to loose.
JMHO Agreed Doc. If the ground is still yielding-soft, you could definitely bet Fev Rover. He ran a big race at Woodbine last time over soft going. Waiting to see who scratches out of the Diana. Hope to see you there today, weather looks great! TW |
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Post by mysaladdays on Jul 15, 2023 8:35:16 GMT -5
I originally had Fed Rover in my contest picks but got nervous that I was using up too many of my allotted "40" so I deleted him. Wish the race was later in the day to see if things dry out a bit more on the grass.
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Post by cherokeescot on Jul 15, 2023 9:13:20 GMT -5
The reason that they are running the Diana so early is purely handle related . With In Italian a prohibitive favourite it’s not going to create much betting interest . They want as many betting options as possible for the late pick 4 , pick 5 and pick 6 which will generate the revenue for NYRA
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Post by 1hooper on Jul 15, 2023 9:43:14 GMT -5
Larger fields in Kelso and Sanford today with no Chad's.
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Post by quickcall on Jul 18, 2023 12:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by merasmag on Jul 18, 2023 15:37:45 GMT -5
who won?
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