I'm Now The Fish At The Table

[unusualpete]

since the last time i posted on the subject, i've played a couple 300bi hold 'em tournaments.  both times i faced 150ish runners and was elim a table before the money punting off above average chip stacks.  gotta think both ko's were mistakes.


game 1, from early position w a 60bb stack holding pocket aces i raise to 2.5bb.  two players who have position on me and one of the blinds call.  w antes and all there's 12bb to the flop which comes 3-6-10 rainbow.  bb checks i bet 8bb.  it goes fold, raise to 30bb, fold.  w stack and stage and pot i should either go all in or fold.  didn't fold.  he flopped top set and i am eliminated.  w that action, there aren't many times i'm not badly beaten and shoving as an 8/92 dog.  he induced a fish spaz and was chip leader.

game 2, i'm big blind w a 70bb stack there's a min raise and two callers including the small blind.  i hold q6 off suit.  it's 1bb to call and at 8-1 i do.  it's outside the bb defend range.  it's okay to squeeze to 12bb and fold to a 4 bet.  it's also a good fold spot.  real talk. folding>squeezing>calling.  anyway, 9bb pot and the flop comes q-j-6 two spades.  sb leads for 5bb.  i raise to 13bb.  fold, fold, sb calls. 35bb to the turn which is a 9, q-j-6-9.  he leads again but small for 10bb.  is it to block or to induce?  induces an all in from me.  he tank calls w j8 off suit.  riv is jack and i'm elim.  yes i went all in to the riv as the 90/10 fav, but there was no reason for getting everything in the middle w a bottom 40 percent holding.  the mistake was preflop.  he went to the money bubble as the overwhelming chip leader.  nice hand, good game.

[eye123]

Pete I don't have a problem with either call....or fold both scenarios(2nd less then the first after the flop)...(...looking for min cash or going deeper in the tournament....approach) Second you just got rivered (it happens)...first, either JJ,QQ,KK or set.....comes down to who the raiser is. (tight...loose)...again either call ,fold looks ok on feel. (Play safe, take risk)....

[unusualpete]

See what you mean and thank you for it. In game 1 It's a local live. You're not facing someone doing that wo at least 2 pair 18/20 times w 1/20 holding a, top pair w 4/5 of a flush or b, an open ended straight draw + 4/5 of a flush. People were right to respect the utg open pre and not 3 bet it. Once the cbet got raised big. It's a fold here. In a wsop circuit ring game it's a decision, but mostly a fold. In a bracelet game it's a crying shove vs many.

Game 2. I can forgive it. Had a bro put it in a solver. actually played it close to how you want to, but the flop raise was too small. Turns out it was an overcall spot that you stop on a lot post. There's no way to avoid it. Dems da breaks.

[spiderjohn]

300 bi cash game---sounds like 1-3 nl
hard to say not watching the players at the table--I have been playing that game in poker rooms and weekly garage tournament style
we are all the fish at times----I see different styles between weekday daytime tables(particularly Monday Tuesday) being conservative players waiting for the lock and evenings(particularly weekends) where the drinking and loose players show up.

u made your plays--didnt work out--learn evaluate and move on to your next table
u r a horseplayer and poker player at the minimum, so u know all about winning and losing both ugly and pretty
it comes down to confidence in your knowledge and occasional luck---maybe post a few success stories?

Ever move to Ky?

[merasmag]

this is a VERY lazy day and i have a question about card counting...
why is it bad?
isn't it sorta the point?