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Post by cherokeescot on May 20, 2023 15:02:33 GMT -5
RIP Havnameltdown 😢
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Post by 5wide on May 20, 2023 15:24:33 GMT -5
Horrible, that race was my first and only bet of the day. Marked my card, but , no appetite for betting now .
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Post by mysaladdays on May 20, 2023 16:01:30 GMT -5
I hope Saez is okay. Anyone heard anything? They took him away on a board.
Horse had not raced for 2 months since Feb, he got one 3F work at end of April, then Baffert had him working 4f ft :453 in May.
I guess that's why they call him bullet bob. Push it, push it, push it good and hurry up about it
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Post by quickcall on May 20, 2023 16:05:37 GMT -5
That poor horse.
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Post by cherokeescot on May 20, 2023 16:27:59 GMT -5
I hope Saez is okay. Anyone heard anything? They took him away on a board. Horse had not raced for 2 months since Feb, he got one 3F work at end of April, then Baffert had him working 4f ft :45 3 in May.
I guess that's why they call him bullet bob. Push it, push it, push it good and hurry up about it
According to his agent Kieran McLaughlin “Luis Saez X rays came back clean and he wants to ride tomorrow “ |
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Post by mysaladdays on May 20, 2023 18:14:41 GMT -5
I hope Saez is okay. Anyone heard anything? They took him away on a board.
According to his agent Kieran McLaughlin “Luis Saez X rays came back clean and he wants to ride tomorrow “ Whew! What a relief! Thanks for letting me know. |
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Post by merasmag on May 20, 2023 18:20:50 GMT -5
horse was a monster, glad i made my bets and took a 2 hour nap
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Post by spankyupinclass on May 20, 2023 22:24:12 GMT -5
They talk about boxers with terms like "pound for pound" he's the best there is. But for jockeys they certainly have some "pound for pound" riders plenty tough!
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Post by bobtailnag on May 21, 2023 10:03:20 GMT -5
Is there any organization that keeps data showing numbers thoroughbred that die while under the control of each trainer? I tried to find it but couldn't find anything. I will guess if there were such a list I doubt it would be available to us since I did find this during my search.
"How Kentucky Keeps Horse Racing Deaths Secret
June 8, 20198:31 AM ET
Heard on Weekend Edition Saturday
By
Caitlin McGlade
4-Minute Listen?
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Post by mysaladdays on May 21, 2023 16:17:48 GMT -5
Was Havnameltdown on the vet's list at any time 14 days out? Just curious as I am against repeated joint injections to mask pain and keep horses running, when they need pasture time and PT to heal before racing.......and should not be racing until fully recuperated.
These days it's almost considered "too woke" to be an individual who cares about the horses to the extent some of us do...
...but I don't mind being on the list of those who care, and to see what is REMEDIABLE be fixed......whether that be veterinary, track maintenance, etc and there are plenty enough things we can always improve on, so I do not sit idly by and say stuff like "horses die" when it's appropriate to figure out how to have that not happen, in as many ways as possible.
It's almost as if people who say such things think other people are just dumb.......or are PETA people...........no, we are not dumb. We know and accept that horses die. But Being concerned and always wanting to improve whatever little corners of the world we participate in, is NEVER DUMB.
Why? Because history is filled with people who gave a darn.......even how autistic Temple Grandin revolutionized the manner in which cows and livestock are slaughtered, and we now use a more humane method of doing so. There is always improvement possible for those who are not willing to just accept the status quo and who are willing to introduce good ideas and reasoned discussion about how things CAN be done better .
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Post by 1hooper on May 24, 2023 20:24:05 GMT -5
A federal judge on Wednesday issued a summary judgment that dismissed trainer Bob Baffert's lone remaining claim in his 15-month-old lawsuit against Churchill Downs, Inc. (CDI). The order was handed down three months after the same judge tossed out five other counts in the case that alleged civil rights violations related to the gaming corporation's two-year banishment of the Hall-of-Fame trainer. www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/judge-dismisses-bafferts-lone-remaining-claim-against-cdi/ |
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Post by mysaladdays on May 24, 2023 23:01:03 GMT -5
The judge's conclusion sounds very logical and reasonable to me. (Unlike what would happen to him in many over-the-pond jurisdictions I can think of......he still HAS a training license. And is making good money.) P.S. I don't know how many more victim stories I can handle from Baffert at this point, but I don't know if people with that particular pathology can be cured of feeling "wronged" all the time, as I am not a psychologist. Just one year or 2 of not having to hear about his travails would be welcomed by me, though.  It would truly be a welcomed respite. |
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Post by bobtailnag on May 24, 2023 23:17:41 GMT -5
Has anyone thought that maybe some of the causes for today's carnage on the race tracks goes back the decisions by the breeders to breed for speed, speed and more speed and less strength and endurance. Back in the "60 Kelso ran 66 races in 5 years, won 39 and won The Jockeys Club Gold Cup 5 times when it was a 2-mile race. That's the equivalent 3 or 4 of today's top runners.
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Post by mysaladdays on May 24, 2023 23:26:29 GMT -5
Has anyone thought that maybe some of the causes for today's carnage on the race tracks goes back the decisions by the breeders to breed for speed, speed and more speed and less strength and endurance. Back in the "60 Kelso ran 66 races in 5 years, won 39 and won The Jockeys Club Gold Cup 5 times when it was a 2-mile race. That's the equivalent 3 or 4 of today's top runners. Of course. That conversation has been going on for at least 20 years now with the pedigree and breeding writers. In the auctions don't they ask the horses to run 1F and it's like 10 seconds or something? (fastest they will ever run in their lives). It's what sells. I remember when Storm Cat was part of a cache of stallions whose trademark was to overwhelm the opposition in a blur of speed. The need for speed seems to be something Baffert has made a trademark with, and capitalized on.........like I pointed out, after not racing for 2 months, he had Havnameltdown working 4f ft :45 3 in May (after but a tiny 3F work in April. ) Bettors love this. (that, and first time lasix horses.) Havnameldown went off as the prohibitive favorite. And Baffert is "the face of American racing".......right? They are just giving everyone what they want. Not all of us want this. Some smart breeders have been going to places like Germany and South America, for some good stamina (and drug free) lines. |
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Post by 1hooper on May 25, 2023 16:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by eye123 on May 25, 2023 18:05:24 GMT -5
Could make for an interesting 4th of July for BB  (CD sticking the knife in...."we reserve the right to extend his suspension" ) |
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Post by merasmag on May 25, 2023 20:21:48 GMT -5
i think cd will be gone before baffert is (at least in terms of actual horse-racing)
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Post by 1hooper on May 25, 2023 20:39:47 GMT -5
i think cd will be gone before baffert is (at least in terms of actual horse-racing) Share price 4/2013 $13 4/2018 $49 Today $140 |
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Post by merasmag on May 25, 2023 20:47:37 GMT -5
what's your point? that's cuz they sold ap and are concentrating on casinos
not even racinos
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Post by 1hooper on May 25, 2023 20:51:08 GMT -5
CD is not going anywhere.
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Post by 1hooper on May 25, 2023 21:02:15 GMT -5
2022 $45 million Homestretch Club
2023 $90 million Turn 1 Experience
2024 $200 million Paddock
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Post by merasmag on May 25, 2023 22:11:19 GMT -5
i'll stick with my edumacated opinion-knot telling u what to think
if i wanted to be cold and anti-racing i wooda bought cdi in 2011
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Post by merasmag on May 25, 2023 22:15:51 GMT -5
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Post by merasmag on May 25, 2023 22:16:20 GMT -5
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Post by ozzy on May 28, 2023 23:10:51 GMT -5
Just my opinion on the CD topic.. highly doubt it has something to do with the track. I haven’t looked at the specifics of each breakdown but with the high purses, some folks likely running horses that shouldn’t be running chasing the cash. Why issues are not being caught on vet inspections is a valid question. With a CT scan on the premise, maybe it is time to mandate periodic scans to identify issues that are readily noticeable. An expensive ask, yes, but this rash of breakdowns cannot continue.
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Post by 1hooper on May 29, 2023 13:18:57 GMT -5
Statement from HISA
May 29, 2023 Press Release
HISA’s highest priority is the safety and wellbeing of the horses and riders competing under its jurisdiction. We remain deeply concerned by the unusually high number of equine fatalities at Churchill Downs over the last several weeks. We continue to seek answers, and we are working diligently with Churchill Downs and the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission (KHRC) to mitigate any additional risk.
In addition to conducting a thorough and independent investigation of each fatality, HISA today announced the following additional measures to ensure the safest environment possible for horses racing at Churchill Downs:
HISA has called an emergency veterinary summit to be held Tuesday, May 30 in Kentucky. This summit will convene the Churchill Downs, KHRC and HISA veterinary teams to thoroughly review all veterinary information available and conduct additional analysis in hopes of better understanding the events surrounding the recent fatalities.
HISA has dispatched well-renowned, seasoned track superintendent Dennis Moore to provide a second and independent analysis of Churchill Downs’ racing and training surfaces. During the course of this review, which will begin Wednesday May 31, HISA CEO Lisa Lazarus and Racetrack Safety Director Ann McGovern will also travel to Churchill Downs to receive the results of the analysis and any suggested follow-up.
HISA has also dispatched its Director of Equine Safety and Welfare, Dr. Jennifer Durenberger, to provide additional veterinary expertise and observation on site at Churchill Downs to ensure optimal veterinary oversight of the horses.
HISA continues to monitor this situation closely and will evaluate any additional next steps as appropriate.
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Post by mysaladdays on May 29, 2023 14:33:07 GMT -5
Just my opinion on the CD topic.. highly doubt it has something to do with the track. I haven’t looked at the specifics of each breakdown but with the high purses, some folks likely running horses that shouldn’t be running chasing the cash. The 2 who broke down Fri and Sat were in claiming races. (I have no opinion specifically on what the problem is at CD, but I have gone on record saying it wouldn't bother me at all if we got rid of claiming races. Many jurisictions the world over don't have them. I would also not have to avoid move-em-up guys like diordoro at Oaklawn if that were done. That is my opinion and I realize many don't or won't agree with me, and that's fine. Times have changed and just because Seabiscuit was a claimer, doesn't mean we shouldn't re-evaluate something just because *history*. ) Becoming a "hot potato", changing barns and trainers successively, over and over again, is not good for ANY horse. There's way too much vital information about them that gets lost in the shuffle. That is not fair to them, they are not machines. There are tons of stories about good horses being plucked from the claiming ranks, but more often, it's about making a horse somebody else's problem. At the very least, I don't believe in super LOW LEVEL claiming races. It's an insult to the horse who may be waning in physical abilities and reaks of "getting the very last drop out of the lemon". It wasn't originally designed to be done the way it is now......the purses were raised to help trainers and owners upgrade stock......instead now it's about a race to the bottom. ANY system that puts a horse in jeopardy, just for the enrichment of an owner, is wrong. Arbitrage needs to stay in the stock market, because horses are not widgets. They are sentient living breathing beings with emotional, physical and psychological needs. Meanwhile, Dr. Mick Pedersen is on site performing safety tests on the track. |
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It would truly be a welcomed respite. 
(CD sticking the knife in...."we reserve the right to extend his suspension" ) 