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YouTube video titled: Kentucky Derby (1947)

IMHO... an Essential Quality of  reporting history, is GETTING THE FACTS RIGHT.

In  1947, Jet Pilot broke from post position thirteen and immediately took the lead

in the 73rd edition of the Derby and never relinquished it... HOLD YOUR HORSES!

I knew Jet Pilot... I bet on Jet Pilot... Jet Pilot was a friend of mine... and that, is not Jet Pilot.

(HRN 2019)

Giacomo (2005): Giacomo went off in the Kentucky Derby at 50-1, but stunned the field to win by half a length.

He ran seven times prior to his Kentucky Derby victory, registering only one win as a two year old in a maiden race.

Giacomo did not win again until the San Diego Handicap his four-year-old year.

He now stands stud at Oakhurst Thoroughbreds in Oregon.

Monarchos (2001): Monarchos advanced quickly after breaking his maiden at the beginning of his three-year-old year.

He then won an allowance race before finishing first in the Florida Derby and second in the Wood Memorial.

Following his Kentucky Derby win, Monarchos did not seem to hold the same form. He ran only three more times,

finishing third at best. Monarchos is currently in Midway, Kentucky at Nuckols Farm for stud duty.

Silver Charm (1997): Silver Charm missed the Triple Crown victory by 3/4 of a length.

As a four-year-old he won the Dubai World Cup and finished second in the Breeders’ Cup Classic, again by 3/4 of a length.

He raced through his five-year-old season, stood stud in Japan, and now resides at Old Friends in Georgetown, Kentucky

where fans may visit him. Silver Charm was Eclipse Champion Three-Year-Old Colt in 1997 - entered Hall of Fame in 2007.

Winning Colors (1988): Winning Colors was the last of three fillies to win the Kentucky Derby.

Before taking the Run for the Roses, she won both the Santa Anita Oaks and the Santa Anita Derby.

Though her winning streak did not remain strong after the Kentucky Derby, Winning Colors still earned

Eclipse Champion Three-Year-Filly honors in 1988. She also entered the Hall of Fame in 2000.

Gato Del Sol (1982): Out of 12 starts before his Kentucky Derby victory, Gato Del Sol’s only wins beforehand

were at two-years-old in a maiden race and the Del Mar Futurity. He stood stud at Stone Farm in Paris,

Kentucky before being sold to Germany. Gato Del Sol was purchased back by his original owners and came home

to Stone Farm, where he lived out the rest of his life.

Spectacular Bid (1979): There are not many like Spectacular Bid. He won 26 starts out of 30 and was honored

as Eclipse Champion Two-Year-Old Colt, Three-Year-Old Colt, Older Horse, and Horse of the Year.

He also earned his way into the Hall of Fame in 1982. After winning the Kentucky Derby and Preakness,

Spectacular Bid finished third in the Belmont. Many people today still feel that he was supposed to be

a Triple Crown winner. He first stood stud at Claiborne Farm before relocating to Milfer Farm in New York.

Decidedly (1962): Decidedly and his sire Determine are one of the father-son combinations to win the Kentucky Derby.

In 1963, Decidedly also received the Sovereign Award for Champion Older Horse.

Determine (1954): Determine had a lot of success racing on the West coast, winning 18 of 44 starts.

He was the first gray horse to win the Kentucky Derby. His son Decidedly was the second.

[1hooper]

Here is the 1947 Derby video.
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Wikipedia: Has a gray horse ever won the Kentucky Derby?

In the previous 106 Kentucky Derbys, only eight horses classified as gray or roan have won the race.

Meanwhile, 55 bay-colored horses and 48 chestnut-colored horses have won the race.

The last gray winner was Giacomo in 2005. Since then, 31 gray or roan horses have run in the Derby

~.Apr 30, 2021

Looking at the list of grays, I am not finding a match

to the "gray/white" horse who wins in the first video.

Is it possible the video is NOT from a Kentucky Derby? -

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Previous Derby Detective cases...

[1hooper]

Didn't look like Churchill to me.

[shoes]

I think I counted 21 horses in the race. Were there ever that many other than in 1974, when there were what 23 or 24?

edit looks like there were 21 horse fields in both 1923 and 1929. (and 1981, that is definitely not 1981 in the video).

[shoes]

Zev (1923) was brown and Clyde Van Dusen (1929) was chestnut. I'm not sure that was Churchill either.

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[elkurzhal]

That is Olhaverry winning the 1947 Santa Anita Handicap.

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[1hooper]

Elk, what words did you use to search. Good job.

[elkurzhal]

well hooper...

Started with trying to figure out the track searching old photos, quickly figured out it wasn't CD. Was thinking it may have been Washington park in Chicago, Washington park had a couple small lakes, and didn't have the same box on the roof of the grandstand. Was searching 1947 horse tracks I think when I saw an aerial picture of SA that looked pretty close. Searched aerial SA pictures and found the one I posted that lines up perfectly and then 1947 Santa Anita stakes and found the picture of Olhaverry winning that matched up perfectly.

[1hooper]

Thanks.
I knew it wasn't CD but I thought it was probably a defunct track on the east coast. Maybe Havre de Grace or Jamaica, something that could have supported a big crowd.
Pretty good aerial quality for the time.

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This was fun... you guys are good!

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