u k horse racing

[horse]

I think I have joined a forum that's all about American racing lol


would just like to say Wesley ward does well with his runners he brings over to the uk


remember the uk mare enable trained by john gosden


horse

[shoes]

Welcome!

Quite a few of us follow Royal Ascot, The Arc day, Dubai World Cup and some of the other international events, but I am always excited to see more discussion.

I agree that Wesley Ward has done well in the UK.

[horse]

Thanks for the welcome Shoes.

Many years ago while on holiday I did go racing at Hollywood Park.

If anyone wants to know how certain horses are doing in the UK on the flat or over jumps just let me know.

John Gosdens Too Darn Hot is now showing his true form.

His best trip is a mile but after watching him win at Deauville on Sunday I think he has the speed to win of 6 furlongs.

Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up going to the Breeders Cup Meeting.

[horse]

Such a shame the best sprinter in the UK Blue Point has been retired.

[horse]

To day in the uk we have our 3 day july festival from Newmarket.

Highlight being Saturday being the the july cup group 1 over 6 furlongs worth half a million quid

can any one answer me Wesley Ward sends his runners over to Royal Ascot and France

But why the other top trainers don't ?

My opionion is just dirt runners wouldn't live with our horses on grass

every track is in America is boring left handed

I hope ive opened a can of worms

[shoes]

horse-

Others (hooper and hotspot, to name two), are more qualified to answer than I, but I suspect it is a matter of expenses and how it fits within mapped out schedules here in the US. Trainers will often have a target, e.g. the Breeders cup and then work back from that to see which events make sense. I would also think that the owners in some cases may have more input in the decision than the trainer. As you point out also top dirt horses are not likely to try turf for the first time overseas.

As to "boring" left-handed, I personally never been bored, but I do like the variety as well.

[spiderjohn]

Hey horse— glad to have you around!
We like U.K. racing on the big days, though we get screwed on payoffs here from separate pools.

Please keep us aware on the major French doings—not much info here.
What about Newmarket thiS week?
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Keep your eye on former jumps( we call them fallers lol) trainer Jessica Harrington. She is very qualified, and is taking on a few higher profile owners.

]As for here, Saratoga is all that should interest you currently, even though the track is a boring left-turning oval.

[horse]

Thanks Guys

Last years English Derby winner Masar has just run in a 6 runner group 2 at Newmarket

Finished last was very disappointing

Will he be retired now ?

[horse]

The main race from France this weekend is the Juddmonte Grand Prix De Paris Group one for 3 year old colts and fillies over 1m 4f at Longchamp.

At the moment there are around 10 declared. Aiden O,brien has a couple entered.

Once I get final decs I will put the runners and riders up

[mysaladdays]

Jul 11, 2019 10:47:36 GMT -5 horse said:

Thanks Guys

Last years English Derby winner Masar has just run in a 6 runner group 2 at Newmarket

Finished last was very disappointing

Will he be retired now ?

I was very surprised to see that, but it appears that a lot of the other horses that were expected to win didn't......7 favorites didn't win and there were longshots galore winning.

I love euro racing and hope you stick around, and would love to pick your brain on a few occassions when I need to. 

I am probably one of those unusual bettors who think people make way too much about surface....I remember the guy who taught me a little about racing when I first started he was always clear that the athlete was preeminent, i.e. would say "hand an apple to Sandy Koufax and he will still strike you out." 

 I saw Lava Man, Einstein, Awesome Gem, Colonel John, Fanny Freud, Brass Hat, Mushka, Panty Raid, Court Vision, Delightful Kiss, Sidney's Candy, Twirling Candy, Animal Kingdom, Evening Jewel, Student Council, Forever Together, Cocoa Beach.....  and probably 40 other horses win on 2 or even 3 different surfaces!!   If anything, I think it is actually good conditioning, like a human runner running on sand, then uphill, then on cedar chips, etc. changing up their action makes an athlete better, challenges different muscle groups, etc.  I also like horses who can run clockwise and counterclockwise, and learn to change leads in both directions.  I think we are making horses very pidgeonholed nowadays and they are not incapable of many of the things ..... but perhaps it is the need to always win that keeps great champions from being *developed* because that takes YEARS.  

Racing is more international now than ever, I hope to see more horses moving around from here to there and from there to here in the upcoming decades.


I will also say I really like this forum here, people do play other racing jurisdictions and have an interest and are always willing to learn more about it.  During Royal Ascot week I was on anotherh forum where like *2* people even bothered to mention it was even happening.  I don't want to turn into that kind of horseplayer, I think it would be very boring.   I LOVE when horses come over for our TC races and breeders cup, I love seeing how the training methods differ, etc. 

(and who could resist Lani's "pink boots"?)  LOL   

[horse]

Trainer Charlie Appleby hasn't give up on Masar just yet.

When interviewed on tv he stated he may drop him back to a mile and a quarter.

[horse]

No problem Mysaladdays if I can help anyone who wants to know wants going on in euro racing feel free to ask and I will try and do my best.

At Newmarket to day we have the Group 1 Falmouth Stakes.

Just my opinion the runners it dont look group 1 class for me.

[mysaladdays]

Jul 12, 2019 1:08:55 GMT -5 horse said:

No problem Mysaladdays if I can help anyone who wants to know wants going on in euro racing feel free to ask and I will try and do my best.

At Newmarket to day we have the Group 1 Falmouth Stakes.

Just my opinion the runners it dont look group 1 class for me.

okay, thanks.  I don't have anything in mind right now, but it's nice to know you are here and "on inventory" ( as we all are for each other in this world)

[horse]

Can a forum member tell me is euro racing ever shown live in the US ?

We get live racing from Australia, Hong Kong, South Africa, in the morning.

Then our live afternoon and evening meetings start from here Ireland and France.

And we get 2 or 3 live American meetings last night we had Gulfstream Laurel Park and Saratoga.

thanks

[Deleted]

In Canada we have access to a ADW called HPI which is operated by Woodbine Entertainment Group. Here is the schedule this week. Basically you can start the day in South Africa and finish up in Seoul 18 hours later.

[spiderjohn]

we can usually watch most Euro racing from TVG or online wagering sites.

I didn't think much about the Newmarket card today either--El Paso for me

[Hooper]

Godolphin running some maidens in the 9:25 and 11:10 at Newmarket morning that I am following.
Hooper

[horse]

Godolphin horse Al Suhail ran really well in the 2 year old maiden to finish second was ran out of it close home.

This looked a strong maiden the eye catcher was John Gosden Tsar left at start after a slow break and made eye catching progress to finish 4th under a tender ride.

Think a few winners will come out of this race.

[horse]

We got quite a lot of racing today around 8 meetings this is the main event of the day.

16:40 Darley July Cup Stakes (Group 1)

Full racecard

6f(Class 1)3yo+; 1st£283,550.00, 2nd£107,500.00, 3rd£53,800.00, 4th£26,800.00, 5th£13,450.00, 6th£6,750.00

1(11)824-371 Brando 9-6 : K A Ryan   T Eaves

2(10)4227-11 Cape Byron 9-6: R Varian   Andrea Atzeni

3(1)220-112 Dream Of Dreams 9-6: Sir Michael Stoute   D Tudhope

4(2)419-822 Glorious Journey 9-6 C Appleby   James Doyle

5(7)117-228 Lim's Cruiser 9-6: Stephen Gray   J F Egan

6(3)1119-41 Limato 9-6: H Candy   Harry Bentley

7(6)01-2323 Major Jumbo 9-6T K A Ryan   Kevin Stott

8(8)2112-0 1Advertiseb 9-0: M Meade   L Dettori

9(12)111-54 Ten Sovereigns 9-0: A P O'Brien   R L Moore

10(4)311-565 Fairyland 8-11: A P O'Brien   J A Heffernan

11(9)1143-27 Pretty Pollyanna 8-11: M L W Bell   Oisin Murphy

12(5)233-319 So Perfect 8-11: A P O'Brien   W M Lordon

Advertise (11/4), Dream Of Dreams (4/1), Cape Byron (9/2), Ten Sovereigns (7/1), Brando (8/1), Fairyland (12/1), Limato (12/1), Pretty Pollyanna (14/1), So Perfect (16/1), Glorious Journey (25/1), Major Jumbo (33/1), Lim's Cruiser (66/1)

[horse]

Good race for 2 year old this,5 of the runners are unbeaten

14:55 bet365 Superlative Stakes (Group 2)

Full racecard

7f(Class 1)2yo; 1st£45,368.00, 2nd£17,200.00, 3rd£8,608.00, 4th£4,288.00, 5th£2,152.00, 6th£1,080.00

1(1)1 Juan Elcano 9-1: K A Ryan Andrea Atzeni

2(5) 1King's Command 9-1 C Appleby James Doyle

3(2)18 Maxi Boy 9-1: M L W Bell L Dettori

4(7)1 Mystery Power 9-1T R Hannon O isin Murphy

5(8)746 Ropey Guest9 -1: G G Margarson S W Kelly

6(3)1 Shared Belief 9-1: Archie Watson D Tudhope

7 1 Wild Thunder 9-1 Hannon S M Levey

8(6)271 Year Of The Tiger 9-1: A P O'Brien R L Moore


King's Command (7/4), Year Of The Tiger (9/2), Juan Elcano (6/1), Maxi Boy (6/1), Shared Belief (8/1), Mystery Power (10/1), Wild Thunder (10/1), Ropey Guest (25/1)

[horse]

2018 English Derby winner Masar has been retired to stud .

[spiderjohn]

U called it....
Didn’t run well in either start this year

[5 wide]

Hi Horse,

Any advise for the upcoming Glorious Goodwood meeting? Sorry make that the Quatar Goodwood Festival, old habits die hard.

[horse]

Hi 5 Wide

Its early days still 2 weeks away

I would have said have a few dollars lol on Too Darn Hot each way in the Group 1 Sussex Stakes at 9/2 but the price has gone he now 5/4

Its now a watching race for me

[horse]

Jul 16, 2019 9:02:00 GMT -5 spiderjohn said:

U called it....
Didn’t run well in either start this year

Don't think Charlie Appleby had a say in the matter.

Sheik Mo .

[horse]

James Doyle has been booked to ride Crystal Ocean in the King George at Ascot on Saturday Week.

[horse]

Sad Sad news the arc runner up Sea Of Class has pass away today losing the battle against colic.

[horse]

15:40 King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Qipco Stakes (Group 1)

Full racecard

1m 3f 211y(Class 1)3yo+; 1st£708,875.00, 2nd£268,750.00, 3rd£134,500.00, 4th£67,000.00, 5th£33,625.00, 6th£16,875.00

1(6)02443-2Cheval Grand 9-7T: Y TomomichiJ: Oisin Murphy

2(9)222-111Crystal Ocean 9-7T: Sir Michael StouteJ: James Doyle

3(3)02-4211Defoe 9-7T: R VarianJ: Andrea Atzeni

4(10)334446Hunting Hornp 9-7T: A P O'BrienJ: J A Heffernan

5(2)521-184Morando 9-7T: A M BaldingJ: P J McDonald

6(5)369-137Salouen 9-7T: S KirkJ: Jim Crowley

7(4)1455-13Waldgeist 9-7T: A FabreJ: P C Boudot

8(11)11/111-1EnableC9- 4T: J H M GosdenJ: L Dettori

9(1)4-25322Magic Wand 9-4T: A P O'BrienJ: D O'Brien

10(7)239-112Anthony Van Dyck 8-10T: A P O'BrienJ: R L Moore

11(8)14-2893Norwayp 8-10T: A P O'BrienJ: W M Lordan


Forecast

Enable (8/13), Crystal Ocean (10/3), Anthony Van Dyck (8/1), Defoe (10/1), Waldgeist (14/1), Cheval Grand (25/1), Morando (66/1), Salouen (66/1), Magic Wand (66/1), Norway (100/1), Hunting Horn (100/1)

[cherokeescot]

Cracking race. Probably the best field we have seen anywhere in the world this year. Looking forward to watching it.

[horse]

Agree Cherokeescot


Crystal Ocean and Enable have to give weight to Anthony Van Dyke

Defoe has improved this year and the French runner Waldgeist cant be ruled out

would I take 8/13 Enable no

Better each way values

Watching race