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Post by spanky126 on Jun 28, 2019 9:50:36 GMT -5
I realize that politics and religion are frowned on for discussion but there is an elephant in the room and it's the two nights of Democratic Debates that just finished up. This is a forum for opinions and we should be adults and express our opinions without any back and forth grenades lobbed at one another. For example, I believe The NO POLITICS presidency has divided this country more than any presidency in my lifetime. That's just an opinion and should be backed up with facts as much as possible. I think we may well see our Commander in Chief in 2020 a gay man, a black woman or an ex-vice president. In my view, the fact we have so many democratic candidates speaks to the belief that this administration lacks the ability or willingness to get this country back on track. Many candidates I had never heard of! I also believe this will be a dogfight like we've never seen for the White House because I truly think if NO POLITICS loses there are enough investigations into his life that he could very well be charged with several felonies. That said any... opinions on the debates?
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Post by phlierfreak on Jun 28, 2019 10:13:34 GMT -5
the debates are a waste of time and energy. what about the 4 people left out that didnt get to have their views heard, because some polls said that they didnt have enough support from the public. those polls could very well be wrong like the ones that said clinton was going to win. polls dont sample enough people to correctly determine what will happen. just because you sample say 3000 people doesnt mean the next 3000 will agree or disagree with the 1st 3000. if the people who took the polls sampled say 5 million people then maybe you be close to getting an actuate compilation. p.s. please ask the elephant in the room to keep his toes out of my peanut butter.
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Post by 1hooper on Jun 28, 2019 10:46:38 GMT -5
Didn't watch a minute or any highlights. Far too early. January at the earliest for me. Hooper
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Post by shoes on Jun 28, 2019 13:40:39 GMT -5
I watched them. I think NO POLITICS is going to sink like a rock (and not just because of last night). It felt like the network wanted to torpedo Bernie. He got asked the hard question about whether his plan would require raising taxes on the middle class and he sort of admitted that it would. It was a fair question but there were similar hard questions that could have been asked of others, that were not. Harris had a huge body language edge on NO POLITICS. IMO she intimidated him.
I think Harris is the most likely nominee with Warren a distant second
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Post by shoes on Jun 28, 2019 13:44:23 GMT -5
I think the field is winnowed down for the next round based on some polling and or donor count thresholds. In the last week I have been solicited by both Booker and Guillebrand that even if I'm not prepared to go all in on them could I at least donate a dollar so that they can stay on the debate stage.
I get solicited from both parties since I have previously contributed to 3 different parties.
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Post by bobtailnag on Jun 28, 2019 22:26:24 GMT -5
NO POLITICS appears to be the only moderate in the bunch. There is zero chance of a dem winning if it one of the socialists who wants to give everyone to everything who's breathing within the country. Hillary has been suspiciously quiet. Do you think there is anyone in this group who would offer her a position in the government if he or see wins?
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Post by spanky on Jun 29, 2019 8:57:38 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing B'tail...where is Hillary? I didn't even hear her mentioned once. Anyone find it curious that NO POLITICS is out kissing Putin's ass and now wants to see the Rocket Man for a handshake? He even says he will walk into North Korea to shake hands. NO POLITICS agged a fingerat Putin and said :don'y meddle in our elections". Meanwhile...Where's that Wall NO POLITICS ?
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Post by frangooch on Jun 29, 2019 13:15:04 GMT -5
I think that Hillary has been told, far too late, to shut up. For anyone who's interested, here's a cut and paste of an email I sent to friends of mixed political persuasion, as I say below, "just to start the argument":
Here’s a take on debate outcomes just to start the argument:
Liz—She is smart, prepared, accomplished and experienced, and, as opposed to Skamela, actually has some ideas of her own. Gotta be in the conversation, but I have two things against her: 1) She doesn’t answer questions, she makes prepared speeches; 2) I think her seemingly endless lefty agenda will make it very easy for NO POLITICS to make a “tax and spend liberals” case, and a socialism case, to moderate voters who will decide the election. As of today, I don’t think she can win, in the long run.
Skamela—I actually thought she was having an excellent debate until the obviously scripted attack on NO POLITICS that the pundits are giving her credit for. It was a perfect snowflake moment—all about drama and nothing about governance. On substance, she clearly has no idea what she is talking about on MFA, which she has answered about 6 different ways since declaring. She is already walking back her answer (again) from last night, saying she misinterpreted the question. Right, the same question that 19 other candidates answered directly. She’s a lightweight and the drama will subside. So you were a prosecutor—so what? Oh, and are you black? Who knew?! She will be the VP candidate, for obvious reasons.
NO POLITICS—Having said what I said about Skam, NO POLITICS was pathetic. He looked like a slicked up cadaver, and stammered through most of his answers, including those outside “the moment". Won’t campaign, or answer questions from the press. Has he learned nothing from Hillary? Too old.
Pete—I thought he did well. Not a breakout, but solid, and plenty of time to make headway. Along with Liz, he is the smartest, and he answers questions honestly and directly. Breath of fresh air.
Bernie—I love him. He is an original and his ideas are truly his own. But he is too old and identifying himself as a socialist is the biggest mistake of his career.
Klobuchar—I like her because her views are closest to my own, and because she gives direct answers to direct questions. However, she has said/done nothing to really distinguish herself, since declaring. She's accomplished, so maybe slow and steady wins the race. I’d give her a spot in the next debate, and hope to see/hear more.
Booker—A cartoon windbag. Please sit down.
Castro—I thought he was impressive. Would like to hear more, beyond immigration. Smart guy.
Swallwell—His next job will should as a towel boy at the YMCA. I hate him.
Gillenbag—Give her a job doing Al Franken’s laundry.
The governors—They all make the same, “I’ve done things that the others are just talking about” argument, and there is a lot to be said for that argument. Still, none of them seems personally compelling to me and I can’t say why. Probably I like Hickenlooper the best, but he seems more like a cabineteer than a president. We’ll see.
Yang—Send me my 12 grand and go away.
Delaney—I think you’re right about some things, but you seem like an asshole.
Beto—He can no longer campaign on “not Ted Cruz”, and therefore has nothing to offer. No loss if he drops out tomorrow. Lighter than air.
DiBlasio—a blowhard from New York. Don’t we already have one of those?
Ryan—I like his views on the forgotten class, and the ‘flakes need to pay attention to this, but he is out of his depth. Exposed by Gabbard.
Gabbard—Hot nothingness. I get it—you were a soldier. And….?
Williamson—THE..NEXT..PRESIDENT..OF..THE..UNITED..STATES!! HEEHAW!!
Conclusion: I fear the lefties will sink the party. Right now, it looks like CheetoFace in a cakewalk.
Your serve,
Mike Royko
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Post by spiderjohn on Jun 29, 2019 13:18:05 GMT -5
At least NO POLITICS is out doing something hopefully productive instead of blowing smoke and empty promises in a staged phony “debate” that only couch potatoes would watch and act like it matters.....
I did hear some interesting opinions and thinking from surprising names...media is determined that NO POLITICS and sanders are toast.
No surprise that the names I found interesting have no chance Harris has been anointed as the next Obama already
While congress pointlessly investigates instead of legislating And the economy keeps rocking along Summit meetings lead to a market surge next week?
Turn off your tv spanky Go for a walk—get some fresh air!
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Post by spiderjohn on Jun 29, 2019 13:22:55 GMT -5
Amazingly I pretty much agree with gooch until his final premise, which I could live with for another 4 , hoping that Donald would just shut up and let competent businessmen do their jobs, along with legit environmental, health care and immigration concerns.
Run on sentence per usual
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Post by tc on Jun 29, 2019 13:46:32 GMT -5
I love Bernie. Who else would say that he would tax the middle class with a straight face? Wow.
Most honest politician around...funny how that may hurt him in the end.
Guess you get what you deserve and America certainly deserves an eternity of NO POLITICS !
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Post by frangooch on Jun 29, 2019 14:51:30 GMT -5
NO POLITICS out doing something productive? hahahahahahaha! Given constraints of 10 people on stage the debates were relatively substantive when compared with the Republican klown kar of 4 years before. Give 'em time.
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Post by spanky on Jun 29, 2019 15:51:47 GMT -5
Funny you should say that spider...I'm out on our deck watching my 55 inch big screen as I walk on my treadmill! Working out in fresh air! I like the gal from Hawaii. We need a hot female President!
We now have a bloated ego maniac that has no foreign policy plan. Nobody wants to work for NO POLITICS . Really, he's either fired or seen his staff walk ff he job how many times? Manafort is doing time. Gulliani has clammed up and Stormy is laughing all the way to the bank. The Mexicans are laughing at NO POLITICS even harder wondering where to send a check for the wall NO POLITICS has never built.
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Post by DoctorDisaster on Jun 29, 2019 18:47:53 GMT -5
We are almost here
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Post by bobtailnag on Jun 29, 2019 21:54:53 GMT -5
I'm going to vote for Pat Pauson again!
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Post by shoes on Jun 30, 2019 7:37:05 GMT -5
When gooch has a take on political candidates, I am going to listen. I do think he has identified many of the respective weaknesses. I want to stress that I do not trust Harris. Notice that when asked about an issue by reporters (not at the debate, but in the months before), she will say: "we need to have a discussion about that", while IMO, she then does a political calculation about the best answer politically. She has in a short time, even with that, walked back some answers.I do however think that in today's superficial world and with very positive media coverage that she will gain in the polls and secure the nomination. I'm not yet prepared to say which of the 20 candidates I feel best about.
He's also right about Hillary. I continue to believe that the major reason for her private server was to shield herself from FOIA requests and that if we had the 33,000 emails (of destroyed evidence) that the Clinton Foundation pay for play process would be brutally revealed.
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Post by eye123 on Jun 30, 2019 8:06:56 GMT -5
My take on the early debates........
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Post by bobtailnag on Jun 30, 2019 10:53:52 GMT -5
I'm sure there will be a couple of big name Dems who have not yet tossed their hat in the ring who were smart enough to wait until the Democratic voters have which 2 or 3 issues are the ones that will determine who they'll vote for. We've already seen one mayor and one senator model NO POLITICS 's get tough talk strategy in the 2016 debates and how well it worked for him.
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Post by big18741 on Jun 30, 2019 15:11:23 GMT -5
Too many lightweights and whining liberal pussies on the stage both nights. I expect Pete to make a run and end up on the ticket somewhere.
The guy is way too smart,calm,and sensible to waste on the sidelines.
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Post by spanky126 on Jun 30, 2019 17:38:04 GMT -5
Mark my words...there is one person who checks the boxes for both the women's and the black vote and will declare her run at exactly the right time. Are we ready for a one name president? I give you Oprah!
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Post by bobtailnag on Jun 30, 2019 21:17:47 GMT -5
Oprah? If she's the Dem's candidate , The Rep's are going to elect Jerry Granville.
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Post by spiderjohn on Jul 2, 2019 13:43:00 GMT -5
After taking a few days to digest the comments and flow of these infomercials, I don't really like any of them, and don't vision any of them being up to the job to make the country better for everyone. After last week, their desperation and incredible promises will probably increase, as will their grasping for attention however possible. + I can't see their overall message playing well with the moderate middle class working family. Honestly, this group has done nothing for that segment of the country, and doesn't seem to plan on doing anything for them.
Things are tolerable today and the economy is working.
When I watch the current situation in Portland, coupled with the convenient misinformation(from both sides) on the border issues, I wonder how any mass group could realistically support these Dem hopefuls. I don't believe that their core stances(outside of "I hate NO POLITICS ") matter to the masses. Also the masses DON'T support most of these candidates' positions.
Hopefully common sense and realistic achievable goals and values will enter the conversation in the next round. I also get a feel that the media is zig-zagging, not sure where to position themselves.
I also wonder who the true intolerant and fascist leaning entities are today....
These names, faces and actions seem to be making NO POLITICS look better by the day---and I never expected that to be possible.
jmo
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Post by elkurzhal on Jul 2, 2019 14:40:02 GMT -5
Pete has been OK on economics at locally, made some blunders, and taken a lot of credit for the general strength of the economy and Notre Dame's increased financial support of the region. He has done zero to help with crime or those in economically challenged area's. Public school system in town is in shambles and regularly on the verge of the state taking over.
He's a smart guy, well spoken and likeable. The actual results of his time as mayor will eventually stall out his run and that was before the total mess with the police shooting recently. He seems to have enjoyed a bit of celebrity status, and wouldn't be shocked if he ended up an analyst for network/cable news or something along those lines.
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Post by spanky on Jul 2, 2019 19:17:13 GMT -5
Interesting take on things spider. The economy will yo-yo over time but you fail to mention NO POLITICS as a leader. America is great despite NO POLITICS in my view.NO POLITICS has no moral compass. From Stormy to the Wall to his ties to Russia I have to be in the ANYBODY but NO POLITICS camp. You never hear much from the First Lady or Pence and Don Jr. is waiting in the weeds... But his comments about John McCain still sticks in my crawl. He came up with bone spurs to get out of serving? Really? He bankrupted multiple businesses on his way to stiffing multiple vendors and yet he still had the funds to build golf courses all over the world.
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Post by frangooch on Jul 2, 2019 19:27:11 GMT -5
Hmm, so health care, education, climate change, justice, democracy, free press, corruption throughout the gov't, opposition to grabbing one ankles for tyrants throughout the world, opposing the assault on our elections, opposing incompetence and nepotism, kids in cages, opposition to nazis and hate groups, etc. "don't matter to the masses"? Very insightful......
I don't see any worldbeaters on the Democratic stage, but the back end of an orangutan would be preferable to this fat, ignorant, criminal.
Looking forward to the tanks.
Sig heil!,
Erwin Rommel
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Post by spiderjohn on Jul 2, 2019 20:47:51 GMT -5
gooch--I would hope that your mentioned topics would matter to everyone--they matter to me, and most everyone around me. Unfortunately I didn't hear much mention of them last week...... NO POLITICS is an ass. All he needs to do is to quit responding negatively to his detractors, talk positively to everyone, and keep the economic ball rolling. ANTIFA seems more Nazi-like to me....
Spanky--this economy is more like a rocket than a yoyo--under Obama our economy disappeared. Keep talking nonsense and insulting people that don't think like you--you watched how it played out last time.....
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Post by spanky on Jul 2, 2019 22:54:50 GMT -5
I know it hits a nerve but I did not intend to insult anyone. I'm not an economist but I'm sure Obama didn't bankrupt anything. Where is that information located? I was hoping we could get more opinions. How do the Canadians see NO POLITICS ? Everyone has an opinion but it seems like it's usually gooch and I on the left and you on the right. Let me ask you spider...you say NO POLITICS is an ass. Do you support NO POLITICS or the party? Other than the economy, what do you like about NO POLITICS ?
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Post by spiderjohn on Jul 3, 2019 8:39:34 GMT -5
I didn't mean that you personally were insulting anyone. However a lot of talk from the left is incredibly insulting and derogatory towards anyone not in lock-step with them. IMO much more Nazi and fascist inclined. I never said that Obama BANKRUPTED the country--your words. During his 8 years, our economy slowed to a trickle while businesses held on to whatever cash that they had. Under NO POLITICS , expansion and employment have skyrocketed. The #s are clearly out there despite your stubborn denial. Try watching a business channel during the day instead of whatever you view. You might be a little out of touch on economics.
You suggest a move towards socialism is a gain for everyone? Most don't agree and see that as a step backwards from positive momentum.
Correct--I don't like NO POLITICS --particularly his personality and media activity. With the press doubled down against him, I can see his reasoning for avoiding them and speaking directly to the public. As when I was in business for 50 years, I learned to live and work positively with others as long as everyone was happy(or tolerant) and benefited from the result. Just separate the personality and make things work...
It's ok for us to think differently---there is some truth within most everything. You are the originator that keeps dragging this along, so it must be what you want.....
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Post by eye123 on Jul 3, 2019 9:12:02 GMT -5
Spider, you keep pointing to the great economy. What you fail to point out is the cost. Equate what your seeing to someone maxing out their credit card(knowing they will not be around when due) to live well now not caring about the future cost down the line.(paying for it later) The tax cuts,roll back on regulations, and choices by this president show a disregard for our future concentrating on short term results. Someone will have to pay, maybe not you, maybe just the grand kids. Rates will rise, debt cost will rise, current loss of revenue(example Opportunity Zones just one) will not see the light of day and in the end the "balloon" will be due. If your fine with that, your choice, and pat the guy leading the charge. Me personally, I consider I have a moral obligation not only to myself but others to act in a responsible way. Not to praise a hat trick, but to call out the slight of hand.
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Post by spiderjohn on Jul 3, 2019 21:08:09 GMT -5
come on, eye--moral obligation--implying that I have no morals and am selling out for a $$? Too much....... Name for me the politicians that are truly fiscally responsible--shouldn't take long. They are ALL deficit spenders, it is not a party line thing. Bill Clinton got the message two years in. Bush ran up the deficit shamelessly, and Obama just as much with far worse results due to his temp fed jobs that really didn't happen. My county govt and my state govt have surpluses. My city is giving raises and bonuses. My friends still operating businesses are making more money than prior easier than prior. The NO POLITICS are predominantly RINOS and the Dems obviously can't do math either. The "balloon" has always been out there like a snowball rolling downhill.
All of theses freebie pie in the sky promises would cause our entire economy and tax base to crash and burn. Working people are smart enough to figure it out, and won't support it at the ballot box imo. When our social welfare system collapses from these promises, our whole framework will break down. These promises simply aren't possible.
Let's talk about the gay reporter beaten in to a coma by ANTIFA in Portland----no press in the rag news. If he had been a gay reporter beaten at a NO POLITICS rally it would be non-stop media frenzy. Talk about intolerance, fascism and seriously no regard for our future.....and same for your "acting in a responsible way". Too f'n much
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