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Post by 1hooper on May 27, 2019 13:26:23 GMT -5
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Post by shoes on May 27, 2019 18:10:01 GMT -5
I read the bill and find it to be well-crafted and seems to make a lot of sense. I see that the banned substances are to be determined by:
(A) class 1, 2, 3, and 4 drugs, medications, and substances in the Uniform Classification Guidelines for Foreign Substances of the Association of Racing Commissioners International, Version 14.0, revised January 2019; or
(B) the World Anti-Doping Code International Standard Prohibited List, January 2019,
unless and to the extent that such a substance or method described in subparagraph (A) or (B) is contained on the list of permitted substances and methods identified on the Association of Racing Commissioners International Controlled Therapeutic Medication Schedule for Horses, Version 4.1, revised January 2019.
and that this can be subject to change per the next section.
Is it fair to say that this would largely be consistent with the rules currently in effect in Europe, Japan, Australia and/or Hong Kong?
Thanks.
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Post by cherokeescot on May 27, 2019 19:20:31 GMT -5
Well said Hooper but does everybody who signed up to Water Hay and Oats actually practice what they preach. Maybe I missed it but it looks to me that possibly apart from Kenny McPeak everybody else is using Lasix at every opportunity.
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Post by 1hooper on May 27, 2019 20:29:33 GMT -5
They use it because it is a performance enhancer. I've seen estimates it is worth as much as 3.5 lengths. But they are still working to ban it on racedays Here is a good report on diuretics. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2962812/Hooper
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Post by cherokeescot on May 27, 2019 21:13:17 GMT -5
I know it’s a performance enhancer but the WHOA crowd lose their credibility by using it. If they really stuck together as a group they might be able to shame the rest of the owners and trainers out of using it on race days. Sort of like a steroid using home run hitter having an * after his name. I’m seriously thinking about not having my horses in US run with Lasix and if that’s a bust I will say forget this I’m only running in Dubai and Europe from now on.
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Post by Badactor on May 27, 2019 22:01:53 GMT -5
ON THE RADIO TODAY...
'...a coalition of animal welfare groups want a measure on the state ballot to ban horseracing. "There is collective outrage on what is happening and now is the time to take advantage."'
"Santa Anita and all California tracks must suspend racing until the
ongoing investigation by the district attorney is complete and the new rules have been strengthened. Decreasing the number of broken bones is not enough. PETA and Social Compassion in Legislation are currently working with The Stronach Group
and the California Horse Racing Board to enact new regulations and laws to stop all deaths.
Nothing short of a zero-fatality rate is acceptable.'"
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Post by propro on May 28, 2019 8:12:49 GMT -5
Is this the right time for this bill? Use of lasix and other drugs in racing didn't seem to have anything to do with the breakdowns this year at Santa Anita, but couldn't this bill tie together breakdowns and drugs in the public eye and possibly do far more harm than good right now?
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Post by 1hooper on May 28, 2019 8:37:27 GMT -5
I believe the WHOA crowd has more credibility than the National HBPA on horse welfare. I have not purchased a horse in this country in years. Been to Australia,S. Africa and now Europe with my money. I like the idea of Dubai with a long off season. Friends that have never asked me about the game now want to know about the Derby decision and the Santa Anita deaths. I suspect that is not uncommon to others. The perception of the public is we drug our horses and they die on the track. Terrible combo. The news that Dell posted is real and scary for California industry. Our game has been in a long and slow decline for decades and we only have a short time left to turn it around. I hear that Churchill-McConnnell won't allow a vote in the Senate if the HR 1754 bill passes the house. It says a lot when guys like us consider never running here again. Hooper
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Post by eye123 on May 28, 2019 10:26:52 GMT -5
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Post by Mattcoll on May 28, 2019 11:52:26 GMT -5
Re: bleeders
No lasix in graded stakes. Start with 2 y/o next year....yes we tried this already. Those produce future sires, and bleeders don't get to breed. What to do with a bleeder? Geld it. Race it. Maybe turn it into a regional star...the kinds that fans like to root for. Slowly get rid of the drugs and the number of races that allow them. Slowly improve the number of horses that can race without them....maybe just maybe they can race more often without diuretics emptying them out between starts.
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Post by 1hooper on May 28, 2019 12:45:27 GMT -5
Pro,this bill was first introduced in 2015. Been reintroduced since then. www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3084 Tonka and Barr keep trying to their credit. Tonka represents Saratoga County and Barr represents Lexington and surrounding horse towns. When is the right time? Hooper
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Post by frangooch on May 28, 2019 16:12:43 GMT -5
Each time a horse dies at Santa Anita, it is front page news in the LA Times. Nothing else about the sport ever is, save maybe a triple crown winner. As far as the general public is concerned, breakdowns and horse death are the issue. Unless a bill can find a way to address that directly, I don't see it affecting public perception. I do see it accomplishing some good, but enough? It's going to be a tough slog.
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Post by 1hooper on May 28, 2019 17:38:17 GMT -5
Gooch,can you tell us how the initiative/proposition process works in California? My perception is that horse racing is very vulnerable under the state laws. Thanks, Hooper
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Post by frangooch on May 28, 2019 22:48:05 GMT -5
Oh just need to collect enough signatures and the proposition goes on the ballot. With Feinstein openly calling for a racing ban, all the bad publicity, and so few racing fans, I wouldn’t bet against a racing ban prop passing. I would say racing is quite vulnerable right now.
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Post by spanky126 on May 29, 2019 7:47:25 GMT -5
Does Cali have any dog tracks Gooch? Anyone gone to the dog races? There was a track in El Paso but I'm not sure it's open. Seems to me there's a chance for the greyhounds to be treated (abused) that same as race horses but I could be wrong.
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Post by non-sequituriat on May 29, 2019 11:53:30 GMT -5
To answer your tangent: dog racing is illegal in California. In the early 1980s, there was an attempt to convert the now defunct Ontario Motor Speedway into a dog racing track but the horse industry made sure that would never happen. The old OMS is now a bright shining mall.
In forty-one U.S. states, commercial dog racing is illegal (Florida effective 1/1/21).
Once the Florida ban takes effect, only five states will still allow greyhounds to race:
Alabama, Arkansas, Iowa, Texas and West Virginia. Four other states don't have tracks,
but dog racing is still legal in Connecticut, Kansas, Oregon and Wisconsin.
Dog Racing and Horse Racing --- two entirely different subjects. Horse Racing has enough problems without need of comparison to the dogs.
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Post by Please Join WHOA on May 29, 2019 12:25:33 GMT -5
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Post by frangooch on May 29, 2019 12:36:43 GMT -5
Correction: Feinstein is calling for a suspension of racing until breakdown issue can be figured out, not an outright ban. I suspect many voters are article skimmers will interpret it the way I did at first, however.
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Post by Badactor on May 29, 2019 23:41:11 GMT -5
Dear Dell,
Thank you for joining the Water Hay Oats Alliance.
WHOA is committed to clean sport and will continue to work to ban race day medication and performance enhancing drugs in our great sport of American horse racing. Uniformity in rules, lab protocols, testing procedures and penalties will help insure a level playing field for us all.
Your name and support are valuable tools in our legislative efforts. We hope that you will reach out to other like-minded friends and associates asking them to join WHOA's efforts as well.
Please join us in social media on Twitter and Facebook and be sure to check our website regularly for news and updates.
You will also be receiving WHOA emails to insure that you receive current information, timely updates, and "calls to action." Together we can make a difference. Let's work for clean racing to protect our horses, their jockeys and our great sport.
Sincerely,
Water Hay Oats Alliance
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Post by spanky on May 30, 2019 8:48:21 GMT -5
#1. it was not a tangent. #2. Usually, posts posted have a name attached to them. Thanks for getting me up to date on dog racing though. And I suggest that horse and dog racing have some things in common. Common sense.
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Post by 1hooper on May 30, 2019 14:34:27 GMT -5
More bad news. Hooper
In response to the increasing number of horse racing deaths in California, Gov. Gavin Newsom announced his support for SB 469 by Sen. Bill Dodd (D-Napa) which authorizes the California Horse Racing Board (CHRB) to suspend horse racing licenses to protect the health and safety of horses and riders. The announcement comes after the 26th horse death at Santa Anita Park.
“The recent horse fatalities in California are unacceptable,” said Gov. Newsom. “We must hold the horse racing industry to account. If we can regulate horse race meets, we should have the authority to suspend licenses when animal or human welfare is at risk.”
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Post by ozzy on May 31, 2019 8:52:02 GMT -5
Here’s the opposite viewpoint: www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/taking-stock-beneath-lasix-eiph-is-real/I find the lasix conversation laughable as this article points out, much worse methods were practiced in the hopes to control bleeding previously. I also take issue with the argument that lasix is not widely used in other countries when in fact t is used in nearly every yard, every morning, just not on race day itself, and without any real oversight during training (as it is here as well). Now with all that, do we need a better method to control EIPH - absolutely and if there is something that would work as well or better than lasix without its drawbacks, I am all in. Is the use of lasix the main issue we face in our sport today - hardly.
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Post by 1hooper on Jun 3, 2019 10:43:33 GMT -5
From WHOA e-mail this morning. Hooper
Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), original cosponsor of HR 1754 and Chairwoman of the Subcommittee on Consumer Protection and Commerce, is planning a hearing and a mark up of the bill before her Energy and Commerce Subcommittee in the coming weeks. But we don't have to wait for her Committee to move. If the bill reaches 290 cosponsors, it will trigger a new House Rule which will move the measure directly to a vote on the House floor, bypassing the regular procedure through committee hearing and mark up. If our WHOA members successfully lobby their representatives, we can achieve that goal, and move the bill soon. If you haven't made your calls, act today! Now more than ever, it is crucial that we grow cosponsor support for HR1754 in the House of Representatives by lobbying each of our representatives and asking for their support.
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Post by UpInClass on Jun 3, 2019 15:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by cherokeescot on Jun 3, 2019 16:58:40 GMT -5
Done !
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Post by Badactor on Jun 6, 2019 20:53:51 GMT -5
June 6, 2019 Dear Dell, Thank you for contacting me to express your support for the Horseracing Integrity Act. I appreciate hearing from you and welcome the opportunity to respond to your comments. As you know, this bill would develop national anti-doping and medication control rules for race horses. These rules would replace state-based regulations on doping and race-day medication. I have always been a strong proponent for the humane treatment of animals, and I share your concerns regarding the use of performance enhancing drugs in horse racing. Doping jeopardizes the lives of both jockeys and horses, and I believe federal regulations will help curb these dangerous practices. For these reasons, I am proud to cosponsor this legislation. You may also be interested to know that I am a cosponsor of the Safeguard American Food Exports (SAFE) Act, which would ban the sale or transport of horses or horse meat meant for human consumption in interstate commerce and for overseas import or export, as well as the Prevent All Soring Tactics (PAST) Act, which would combat the painful and inhumane practice of horse soring. I am proud of my 100% rating from the Humane Society for my record in Congress, and I will keep fighting to make sure that our laws provide strong protections for animals Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me about this important issue. Your comments help me to better represent the people of our Congressional District. Please stay in touch, and if I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to email me through my website at www.lowenthal.house.gov or call my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 225-7924. Sincerely, Alan Lowenthal Member of Congress
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Post by UpInClass on Jun 13, 2019 11:37:21 GMT -5
The Horseracing Integrity Act (S.1820) Introduced in the Senate A bill that would bring uniformity for drug policy in U.S. horse racing was introduced in the Senate late yesterday by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) and Senator Martha McSally (R-AZ) The Horseracing Integrity Act of 2019 (S.1820), a companion bill to H.R.1754, would bring sweeping reform to U.S. racing with the creation of a private, non-profit horse racing anti-doping authority, the Horseracing Anti-Doping and Medication Control Authority (HADA). This new independent agency would be responsible for developing and administering a nationwide anti-doping and medication control program for horse racing with a single set of rules with uniform best practices for medications and treatments, testing procedures, laboratory accreditation and penalties. The string of events in Southern California at Santa Anita Race Course have raised the question of equine welfare in racing. The general public and racing fans alike are asking how this can happen in our historic sport. Over the last several years, Senator Gillibrand has followed the push for federal legislation to create HADA and right our sport. Now, because of public concern she is sponsoring the Senate version of the Horseracing Integrity Act. Jeff Gural, a WHOA supporter, Standardbred owner and breeder, and race track owner welcomed the introduction of S.1820 by Senator Gillibrand. "As the owner of 3 harness racetracks including the Meadowlands, where we employ our own investigators and utilize the services of labs outside the U.S., I commend this action by both Senators. It is clear from our experience that the current system of having each state regulate an industry, that sends and receives track signals from all over the world, is obsolete." said Gural. "Even worse, for the most part, we tell the trainers and their vets what drugs we are testing for and what time we intend to draw blood or urine so it is no wonder that the chemists are simply ahead of the regulators. We owe it to the animals we love and to the customers who watch and wager on our product to provide a level playing field. I believe this legislation is vital now more then ever." Senator Gillibrand is joined by Senator McSally in introducing the legislation. Jim Click, a WHOA member and a Thoroughbred owner and breeder from Arizona, couldn't be more pleased with McSally's support. "I've known Martha McSally ever since she was stationed here at Davis Monthan where she was flying the A-10's. She was a great representative in the House and she will be a great U.S. Senator." said Click. "I am thrilled that she has decided to take a leadership role as the Republican cosponsor of the Horseracing Integrity Act to standardize testing for horses, especially after what has happened at Santa Anita. I know she has a place in her heart for animals. The Horseracing Integrity Act is in the best interest of horse racing and safety for our horses. It will bring parity to the game." Currently, the House version, H.R.1754, sponsored by Congressmen Paul Tonko (D-NY) and Andy Barr (R-KY), has 117 cosponsors and is scheduled for a hearing before the Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Consumer Protection and Commerce. The members of the Water Hay Oats Alliance will continue their push for passage of The Horseracing Integrity Act, a bi-partisan effort in both houses of Congress. WHOA's mission calls for integrity through clean racing, uniformity through the creation of a gold-standard anti-doping program for U.S. horse racing, and a ban on race day medication to meet international standards.
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Post by UpInClass on Aug 10, 2019 23:48:41 GMT -5
A Statement from more than 90 WHOA Trainers
As trainer members of the Water Hay Oats Alliance, we invite other like-minded trainers and conditioners
to add their name to the WHOA Roster in support of the Horseracing Integrity Act now before Congress.
We believe the appointment of an independent anti-doping program run by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)
can resolve the problem of widespread drug use in American racing and put U.S. racing jurisdictions
in step with international standards.
Doping destroys public confidence in racing, defrauds the betting fan, weakens the genetic pool and, most importantly,
puts the life and limb of our equine athletes and their jockeys at risk. It is obvious that after years of committee review
and discussion, America's racing industry cannot police itself by eliminating the proliferation of performance-enhancing
drugs in our sport, nor does it possess the power to adequately punish the purveyors of these drugs.
It is vital, during these precarious times in horseracing, that we stand together and back efforts for national uniformity
and integrity. The survival of our sport depends upon it, our racing public demands it, and our horses deserve it. We welcome your participation. Please join at: www.waterhayoatsalliance.com/join.shtml David Atkins Roger Attfield Ian Balding John Balzer Trina Baze Manuel Berrios Dan Blacker Hildric Booker Bill Bourne Michael Bray Donald Brown Beatrice Caulier-Eimbcke Ben Cecil Jose Chavez Alison Clapton Matthew Clarke Marialice Coffey Ben Colebrook Henry Collazo Ignacio Correas IV Meagan Davenport Jose De La Torre III Alessandra Deerinck Arnaud Delacour Tres Delaforce Janet Delcastillo Michael Dickinson Michele Dollase Peter Doth Neil Drysdale Jane Dunn Danele Durham Janet Elliot Jim Ensom Kristin Espinoza Vod Farris Ralph Figlow Brad Firlotte John R S Fisher Patrick Gallagher Valeri Georgiev John Gosden Tajana Grdak Ron Gurfein Alec Head Criquette Head-Maarek Jessica Howell Gordon Irwin Joe Jennings Nancy Johansson Jan Johnson George Johnson Mike Keeling Randal Lawton Jordan Lay Josef Lejzerowicz Thomas Lindley Malcolm Lindy James McMullen Kenny McPeek Douglas Miller Barbara Minshall Rhonda Mitchell Graham Motion Keith O'Brien Leo O'Brien Patrick O'Connell Kathleen Parker Cory Patton Kathleen Price Gina Rarick Tricia Rickert Monty Roberts Marcus Ryan Jenine Sahadi Michelle Salazar Marsha Schwizer Marion Seidel Shannon Shepherd Jonathan Sheppard Andrew Smith James Smoot Jimmy Takter John Tebbutt Tim Twaddle Luis Alberto Urbano Grajales Jack Van Berg William Vanmeter Elizabeth Voss John Ward Donna Ward Gai Waterhouse Belinda WhitsonThe Water Hay Oats Alliance continues its support of the Horseracing Integrity Act,
a piece of legislation that will go beyond the most recent calls for reform and will to bring about:
1. A federal appointment that supercedes the 38 individual state racing commissions.
2. The creation of one agency equipped with the power, experience and expertise
to deal with racing's drug and medication issues, swiftly and professionally.
3. National uniformity in rules, penalties, testing procedures, and labs across all U.S. racing jurisdictions.
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Post by mysaladdays on Aug 12, 2019 13:02:53 GMT -5
I know it’s a performance enhancer but the WHOA crowd lose their credibility by using it. I agree, I joined Water Hay Oats about 3-4 years ago, and have read extensively every time a new trainer "joins" Irwin has been saying what I believe in for year and years though but I guess it will take people going to South America and other places to buy their stock before anyone sits up and takes notice. When the U.S. breeders take a huge hit to their pocketbook, because their product is seen as tainted, they will sit up and notice.
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Post by mysaladdays on Aug 12, 2019 13:11:30 GMT -5
Human beings since the beginning of time, have "raced" ......whether that be their pet tortoise or their weenie dogs, fast horses, or fast dogs.
but, it doesn't have to be CRUEL. Dog racing didn't have to be cruel. But it was, and like horse racing, they "dumped" too many of their losing animals into rescues, etc. instead of being accountable for their ownership of these lovely animals. (which were also drugged, etc.) and made money for them.
One of my big things is race horse retirement fund, which follows a horse throughout it's life, so that, instead of being shipped across the border under horrendous and inhumane circumstances (while we polish our apple that we don't slaughter them HERE) if a 2ndary career cannot be found then there is money to pay for their humane euthanization.
That for decades, poeple keep saying they love the horses (which they should since they are the stars of our sport, not the trainers) but they do nothing to actually support said horses.
Every owner should pay that fee at time horse is registered at the jockey club, and then again, when horse ownership changes hands. A small % of track takeout should go there, too.
Trips packed into semi's where horses are injured, terrified, and end up in feedlots, injured, in pain, and starved w/out even veterinary care, then slaughtered (which is the least horrible thing that happens to them during this whole ordeal) should not happen.
Every horse who has carried a human being on their back, and made money for fans/owners/trainers, and even if they have not, DESERVE a retirement and / or a dignified painless death.
We cannot call ourselves civilized and treat them this way.
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