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Post by eye123 on May 5, 2019 9:14:47 GMT -5
Should a similar incident(objection) happen in next years Kentucky Derby would you support a DQ two years in a row?
The Kentucky Derby, 145 years without the winner being DQ'ed. Some say the dq was warranted, others say it's the Kentucky Derby and holds a higher bar.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 9:25:26 GMT -5
Lol....any time justice is not done there are serious consequences...and the sport of kings has many folks who would like to invest into more casinos , cat houses, etc ...like those folks in public office in California who want to do away with horse racing ....lol..and besides, getting younger folks interested in horse racing has been a serious issue for many years...and remember what crap happened in England and New Yorks racing etc in past years..etc...yup , I support this d q in any race since all folks put down thier dollars and ride with the Jockey for better or worse..."and control of the horse is just part of the race..."...etc...
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Post by eye123 on May 5, 2019 10:01:11 GMT -5
I think since I asked the question I should give my opinion. My Avatar, 1933 Kentucky Derby. If you watch the race on youtube you will see back then it was "permissable" to ride a horse into the rail. Rules change, and I've seen more egregious incidents where the results stand. For me the Derby holds a different bar, and I think the results should have stood. Now, next year if a similar incident happens (or what about the break, a horse gets cut off, a dq at any race track in the country, should there be an inquiry ?) I don't like the decision even though it benefited me.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:06:06 GMT -5
I think since I asked the question I should give my opinion. My Avatar, 1933 Kentucky Derby. If you watch the race on youtube you will see back then it was "permissable" to ride a horse into the rail. Rules change, and I've seen more egregious incidents where the results stand. For me the Derby holds a different bar, and I think the results should have stood. Now, next year if a similar incident happens (or what about the break, a horse gets cut off, a dq at any race track in the country, should there be an inquiry ?) I don't like the decision even though it benefited me. In the history of the sport of kings there have been many a person working the betor to thier hurt....many...horse owners,, trainers,stable hands, jocks, track administrators, etc etc ,endless...but the call sets a standard in all races that a wrong on the track must be corrected...period...Thanks to the three judges...but today in a race which should have disqualified the 7 to third shows all is well with the part time help making the decisions ...the seven came in and rode the two if I am not mistaken....happily they rode in a straight line or one or both jocks and horses could have stumbled etc.a dangerous occurance....but I did pick all three and the rider on the 8 gave up...nice pay off...better than a change in the out come...lol...such is the sport of kings...lol...yup, keep the sport clean of fouls that are Obvious Fouls where it is blatant obvious...the bar should be the same for all races...or the sport will lose its appeal to many more...a lot of tracks costs are going up and no new revenue is arriving...so bad calls are not going to make the sport better...thanks to the three judges ...lets see where they end up next...lol...we sure do not want a roller ball movie aspect in the horse racing sport.. |
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Post by cherokeescot on May 6, 2019 12:04:10 GMT -5
I’ve heard several trainers say that it’s the same rules for the Derby as a $10k claimer. I don’t agree with this view. I don’t see any other US races with:
Twenty runners going to post
A split starting gate which always results on a mad scramble towards the turn
150, 000 drunk spectators with an infield resembling a carnival
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Post by tenofswords on May 10, 2019 7:37:16 GMT -5
I’ve heard several trainers say that it’s the same rules for the Derby as a $10k claimer. I don’t agree with this view. I don’t see any other US races with: Twenty runners going to post A split starting gate which always results on a mad scramble towards the turn 150, 000 drunk spectators with an infield resembling a carnival When Belmont had the Widener Chute (not to be confused with the Widener Turf Course) from 1926 through 1958, more than 20 runners in a race were quite common. I agree with Richard Migliore, who thinks that they should build a 20-stall gate to eliminate the split starting gate (Abu Dhabi and Dubai have always had 16-stall gates). Can't say that anything can be done about the 150,000 drunk spectators. |
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Post by shoes on May 10, 2019 7:49:02 GMT -5
Welcome tenofswords!
I think the answer should be somewhere in between: some acknowledgement of the uniqueness od the Derby but not "anything goes", as often seemed the case in the past.
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Post by tenofswords on May 10, 2019 8:24:40 GMT -5
Welcome tenofswords! I think the answer should be somewhere in between: some acknowledgement of the uniqueness od the Derby but not "anything goes", as often seemed the case in the past. Thanks shoes! I think I'm gonna like it here. |
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Post by bobtailnag on May 10, 2019 11:30:59 GMT -5
I don't see any problem with the decision and I have not read a single opinion stating it was the wrong call and convincing me it might really have been wrong. Simply put, the rule is specific and inclusive. The rule doesn't state "except for the Kentucky Derby". The rule, is the rule! Even though we see powerful people and high ranking politicians pulling those exact same shenanigans just not justify everyone else doing it. How would you like it if you were driving down the road and Rodger Googdell came out of a side street and hit you while he was typing a text but refused to pay for the damages, and when you went to court the judge finds for him because he's the head of the NFL and no judge has ever found him at fault in any of the previous cases when he was sued. Good reason, huh?
You can tell me all about other horses who committed more serious infractions and weren't taken down. You can tell me about how other officials operate differently in big games because those games are more important to the owners, players, and the fans. We all get back to the rules. If YOU want to be treated fairly in every endeavor you're involved in then you have to expect everyone else will me treated just as fairly.
If people do not obey existing rules, what makes you think they would obey any rules?
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Post by drlipp on May 10, 2019 14:02:51 GMT -5
THERE WAS A HORSE IN 1968 THAT WAS DQ FROM THE WINNING POSITION. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR THREE DAYS AFTER THE RACE BUT DANCERS IMAGE WAS DQ FOR ILLEGAL MEDICINE BUTE, WHICH BY THE WAY IS LEGAL TODAY.JUST A PIECE OF HISTORY.
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Post by bobtailnag on May 10, 2019 14:33:20 GMT -5
True but he was taken down about 2 or 3 days after the race when drugs were found in his system - long after the bettor's had already cashed their tickets. A year later he was reinstalled as the Derby winner only to be taken down again sometime after that.
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Post by quickcall on May 10, 2019 16:50:25 GMT -5
Of course, eye. I would support it.
Those are the rules.
I hope we see 10 different objections, from incidences beginning at the opening of the gate, to the wire and every inch in between!
That would be freakin’ awesome!
I love replay and what it’s done to sports. Sports are so much more fair and fun to watch now.
Oh, yeah, and making gambling legal everywhere, that will make officiating sports even that much more fair.
That reminds me of Olivia Newton-John’s hit song “Let’s get Technical”. I loved that song.
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Post by propro on May 10, 2019 20:39:28 GMT -5
Agree with Quick. They opened Pandora's box with this DQ. There better be 20 minute inquiries in every Derby and half a dozen disqualifications in each one. Start with the gate. You could always eliminate anyone you wanted with the grab of a rein without any chance of penalty. Find yourself 7 wide after a furlong? Never a problem before. Just hang a left and keep on pushing until those inside of you take back or go down. That's always been okay. Need racing room from the half mile pole to the wire? Never been a concern. Just push where you want to go. It's the Derby, they'll never take you down....but it changed this year. Not saying there wasn't a reason to take the winner down (which cost me), but now that it's happened, it better damn well happen every year until the jockeys ride a clean Derby.
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