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Post by 1hooper on Apr 18, 2019 13:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by jolyb on Apr 18, 2019 16:05:48 GMT -5
When I see the many redactions in the report, especially in Volume 1, for some strange reason I'm reminded of the Nixon tapes and the number of times that the phrase "expletive deleted" appeared.
Hopefully someone other than Mr. Barr will have the opportunity to examine all of that material in an appropriate setting to make sure it was properly redacted.
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Post by Mark Felt on Apr 18, 2019 18:53:57 GMT -5
Follow the money.
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Post by Quotable Quotes on Apr 18, 2019 19:36:08 GMT -5
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Post by mattcoll on Apr 18, 2019 22:09:39 GMT -5
Isn't the very bottom of your copy/paste more important and worthy of a highlight? The part where we waste years and years and never get anything done while we bitch at each other while being egged on by the two "sides" of the media? Sorry, carry on.
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Post by PonyGirlJCM on Apr 19, 2019 3:14:28 GMT -5
Isn't the very bottom of your copy/paste more important and worthy of a highlight? The part where we waste years and years and never get anything done while we bitch at each other while being egged on by the two "sides" of the media? Sorry, carry on. Mattcoll.....are you saying there is more to this article ? isn’t this why there is so much dissension in the world.....because people only tell what they want others to hear if it suits what they want someone to believe?
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Post by eye123 on Apr 19, 2019 7:56:58 GMT -5
The interesting reading of the report provided by hooper is on page 180(bottom)(they redacted most of page 181 and 182 ?) and bottom of page 182(conclusion) of part two.(the summary of finding)...if you read anything this should matter to you
...it so states.....
d. Finally history provides no reason to believe that any asserted chilling effect justifies exempting the President from obstruction laws. As historical matter, Presidents have rarely been subjects of grand jury investigations. And it is rarer still for circumstances to raise even the possibility of a corrupt personal motive for arguably obstructive action through the President's use of official power. Accordingly, the President's conduct of office should not be chilled based on hypothetical concerns about the possible application of a corrupt-motive standard in this conduct.
In sum, contrary to the position taken by the President's counsel,we concluded, that in light of the Supreme court precedent governing the separation-of-powers issues, we had a valid basis for investigating the conduct at issue in this report. In our view the application of the obstructive statutes would not impermissibly burden the President's performance of his Article II function to supervise prosecutorial conduct or to remove inferior law-enforcement officers. And the protection of the criminal justice system from corrupt acts by any person-including the President-accords with the fundimental principle of our government that no person in this country is so high that he is above the law.
IV Conclusion
Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgement, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgement. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgement. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
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Post by eye123 on Apr 19, 2019 8:11:23 GMT -5
My personal take from reading the report. No, there was no collusion between Russia and the President's campaign. There was willing acceptance of material Russia provided for the benefit of electing him, but they had no hand in obtaining the information themselves. Right or wrong your call. Illegal, no.
Obstruction of justice: Barr was far off on this.(stating there was none) I believe Muellers intention was for Congress to make the determination on this issue. Certainly enough evidence to conclude there was. I find the conclusion (IV) very telling.
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Post by eye123 on Apr 19, 2019 8:20:12 GMT -5
...and a PS....
....I think the work material which is obviously missing should be provided to Congress, along with a fully un-redacted report, so that they can make the determination on obstruction.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 11:09:31 GMT -5
Lol....to be a spider on the walls<<<< of the homes and other private places persons say what is on thier minds to persons they trust or find favor with ...lol..the Nixon tapes etc and addresses would seem almost kids stuff....lol...but for the president to say some thing like that,>> Acorrding to Hunt ( who should take a lie detector test and many others folks also ) I would wonder what the president was actually thinking about at the time to say something that reflected on his position to persons in a public setting...does not make sense...but I think he was thinking in terms of the courts and lawyers as his whole life revolved around lawyers and courts so it seems to me, and thus his comment, as many bills go through the lawyers and judges before being passed or not via the houses of power and the delays etc etc and so forth , so his comment if he made it....there is a lot implyed and insinuated etc here but no acual facts ...so bring on the lie detector tests...lol...but as far as dealings with Russia etc , which is what the issue is all about, nil, nothing, but once again a smear tactic on what is implied as to his comments which are probably small potatoes compared to what elected folk say in thier homes and private places ...bring on the lie detectors...lol..a lot cheaper to the tax payer...hahaha..all that was determined was is that the president swears ...hahaha...gggeeeezzzz, a political jerry springer show...or soap opera...etc...( I remember way back when a British sit come , which is still on t v , weekends , where a few actors were assaulted on the street for thier portrayal in the show...lol..so much for what persons think about what is real and not real...) ...to much fantasy in the report for fantasy write ups...bring on the lie detectors ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 11:26:49 GMT -5
.....oh, and with Nixon folks were Dying by the thousands and Kennedy died because he said no to entering what was to become the Vietnam war which is still a bruise to nations around the world which could trigger further mass destruction which mr NO POLITICS has acted to put a lid on for the time being...and at least stopped the war around Russian territory which one does not hear about in the news anymore , daily, etc...so his relation with these world leaders is much better than had been with other elected presidents before him or thier assistants...he is doing a much better job in other aspects of being a president in other factors that enable society to be enriched...the NO POLITICS are actually dividing the nation with thier comedy show...a nation divided is a nation which will crumble ,and this has all the ear marks and foot notes as to how all the other world powers passed away...not that it was not a good thing ...they all crumbled from with in...to many no goods in offices of power and the wealthy no goods etc plying thier influences to pull the society apart for thier own gains...etc
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Post by spiderjohn on Apr 21, 2019 12:44:38 GMT -5
Wow—reading the nvestigation, I realize that I was in NO POLITICS tower when the world chess championship was going on in 2016. Hopefully I don’t get charged with collusion.
Pretty amazing event to walk in on while in Manhattan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 12:50:11 GMT -5
Wow—reading the nvestigation, I realize that I was in NO POLITICS tower when the world chess championship was going on in 2016. Hopefully I don’t get charged with collusion. Pretty amazing event to walk in on while in Manhattan 😂😅🤓👍👌🤗😏😎
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 12:55:07 GMT -5
Wow—reading the nvestigation, I realize that I was in NO POLITICS tower when the world chess championship was going on in 2016. Hopefully I don’t get charged with collusion. Pretty amazing event to walk in on while in Manhattan 😂😅🤓👍👌🤗😏😎 ....in hind site ...you are not of Russian background ...😂😅🤗👍👌🇺🇸😊...cause if you are you may just be considered as a possible collusioner and investigated...🙉🙈🙊👞🇺🇸
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Post by 1hooper on May 29, 2019 13:02:24 GMT -5
Mueller speaks. Give it 9 minutes. Don't let any politicians or commentators tell you what he said. Hooper
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Post by jolyb on May 29, 2019 13:31:27 GMT -5
His statement could not have been clearer or more precise. It provided an even shorter summary of the conclusions of his report. Even those who haven't bothered to read the report should not have failed to understand what he was trying to say.
Despite that, the President immediately claimed vindication. How anyone who read or listened could have come to that conclusion is beyond me. Shortly thereafter, Rudy Guliani attacked Mueller personally, despite his bending over backward in attempts to be fair and evenhanded, not making any charges that the evidence would not fully support. Rudy will never stop being... well, Rudy.
Mr. Mueller clearly outlined Russia's efforts to undermine the 2016 election, described it as a threat to the nation's political system and said that threat deserved the attention of every American. Yet the administration has consistently ignored this message, leaving us vulnerable to more of the same in 2020.
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Post by spiderjohn on May 29, 2019 14:03:38 GMT -5
Fair enough—nothing that we couldn’t conclude ourselves after two years of this. Our politicians and DEEP STATE( regardless of allegiance) had been aware of this for quite some time, did virtually nothing, and engaged in similar practices abroad. It would be fair to color all of the above dirty imo. Russian or other interference didn’t change the outcomes in Michigan, wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio etc. economic and future concerns made the difference. For once, middle America rose up united to make a difference, and the metro coastal areas controlling national media still can’t get over it.
We are evidently going to survive the NO POLITICS era fortunately, just as we survived the Obama years. I asked for those here who scream the loudest to document how their life had changed significantly for the worse over the last two years... there was only silence from those who have shouted for so long.
This is an era where no one can let go or finalize a result that didn’t go their way, Ky Derby being an example.
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Post by eye123 on May 29, 2019 14:49:06 GMT -5
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Post by frangooch on May 29, 2019 15:13:49 GMT -5
Deep State--hahahahahahaha
There has never been anything like this. Hopefully there never will be again. Read Volume Two. False equivalency playbook is tired and trite.
You have no idea how much Russian interference changed the vote. Thanks for the comment, though--typically well substantiated....
Two Presidents have been impeached for less.
Let's see the redactions.
If the president is a crook, should he be held accountable? You think not, apparently. Good on ya, mate..
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Post by phlierfreak on May 29, 2019 15:44:10 GMT -5
i think this report will be buried for 50 years like the report on the kennedy assassination.
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Post by spiderjohn on May 29, 2019 15:56:24 GMT -5
Come on, man.... You act like this outside intervention thing just came up in the last election. Nothing new about it—old as time, however magnified in our age of internet media attention/overkill. It simply didn’t go YOUR way this time.
As technology advances, it may well become more prevalent and extreme. The far-sided polarization chicken littles will always dominate the sound bites.
In the long run, this situation will be a minor footnote, and we probably ain’t seen nothin’ yet! Whatever means necessary seems to be the justification if the day. I dread the next election regardless of who prevails. The vote is only the first phase today—will the Supremes decide the next elections? Will the recent Western Europe trend carry back to here? It will not be pretty.
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Post by Dell on May 29, 2019 17:40:54 GMT -5
I asked for those here who scream the loudest to document how their life had changed significantly for the worse over the last two years... there was only silence from those who have shouted for so long. The silence that you heard was simply embarrassment for you and the gangster philosophy you are espousing. "Hey, you got a job? Then shut up." If having a criminal president at the helm doesn't negatively impact your life, "Then keep your trap shut. Go along to get along." The fact is Donald NO POLITICS is an epic failure as president of the United States. His incompetence diminishes every citizen of this country. His lawlessness adversely affects every single one of us. He was laughed at by every member country of the United Nations. His thuggery and commitment to dictators in the world negatively impacts every citizen. He is an embarrassment. He is suffering from dementia and he is hurting our nation. The Mueller report was the prescription. If you go to the doctor and he hands you a prescription... that is not the end of it. Only the beginning. Now it's time to visit the specialist and the surgeon and go about the business of being cured. Diagnosis: Donald NO POLITICS requires a collusionoscopy and his obstruction must be removed.
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Post by True Fact on May 29, 2019 18:35:55 GMT -5
If he weren't president he'd be in jail right now!
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Post by eye123 on May 29, 2019 18:37:09 GMT -5
If you need to hear one thing that was said today, it would be.....
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Post by Bottom Line on May 29, 2019 18:59:59 GMT -5
"If we had had confidence
that the president clearly did not commit a crime
we would have said so."
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Post by eye123 on May 29, 2019 19:25:56 GMT -5
Department of Justice long standing rule: A sitting President cannot be charged with a crime.
Charging the President with a crime was not an option we could consider Robert Mueller
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Post by FOX NEWS on May 29, 2019 19:54:02 GMT -5
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Post by eye123 on May 29, 2019 19:59:02 GMT -5
On Russian meddling in our election Mueller found conclusive proof, where as......
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Post by spiderjohn on May 30, 2019 0:58:07 GMT -5
No need to be embarrassed for me, Dell—your screen name says it all. You have your audience here where you can live out your drama. Spin all that you like—reality always prevails.
Bottom line No evidence of NO POLITICS campaign colluding with Russia to influence the election. Impeachment is only fake news.
Can you say the same for Clinton and the DNC?
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Post by Whataboutism. on May 30, 2019 2:08:26 GMT -5
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