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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 23:13:09 GMT -5
Santa Anita cancels March 7 th racing....
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Post by halochef on Mar 4, 2019 14:30:57 GMT -5
this from another site: Weather playing havoc in Southern Cal and the protesters are gaining troops. The concern is growing over the perceived track conditions with 20 fatalities in the past two months....I hope this gets turned around quickly
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Post by more bad news on Mar 5, 2019 19:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 19:25:30 GMT -5
this from another site: Weather playing havoc in Southern Cal and the protesters are gaining troops. The concern is growing over the perceived track conditions with 20 fatalities in the past two months....I hope this gets turned around quickly ....lol...hope the Cali government does not make the tracks a safe haven for the illegals....lol...that would really hurt horse racing...lol...
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Post by phlierfreak on Mar 5, 2019 20:24:14 GMT -5
maybe there is a tunnel under the track
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Post by ozzy on Mar 5, 2019 21:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 22:02:32 GMT -5
Yup....just got the mail...lol...so let's see what publichandicapper selects as races....lol...
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Post by frangooch on Mar 6, 2019 13:11:27 GMT -5
San Felipe, SA Handicap, etc. to be rescheduled. It has to be a huge problem for that to happen. I had been wondering if Baffert would run his Derby hopefuls there, in any case. My question is this: How does anyone reasonably know if/when the issue is fixed? And if they don't, why would anyone run their horse there?
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Post by 1hooper on Mar 6, 2019 21:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by bobtailnag on Mar 6, 2019 22:08:56 GMT -5
I wonder if they might run those stakes races up north if they can't find a problem with the surface. I would then assume the next solution would be to lay down a new surface -maybe even a (yuk) all weather surface.
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Post by eye123 on Mar 6, 2019 22:21:52 GMT -5
TDN:
By Dan Ross
If veteran trackman Dennis Moore gives the Santa Anita training track the thumbs-up after he has evaluated it Thursday, the track could re-open for training Friday morning, said California Thoroughbred Trainers (CTT) president Jim Cassidy after a meeting Wednesday morning.
This sentiment was mirrored by California Horse Racing Board member Alex Solis, who also attended the meeting. He said there’s a “good chance” the track will be open Friday. “It’s a different surface [to the main track], said Solis. “It can absorb more water.”
Should the training track re-open Friday morning, the hours will be extended to “at least 10:30” a.m., Cassidy said, and horses will be restricted to routine exercise. “No workouts,” he said, adding that there could possibly be a cessation of workouts lasting a week.
“I think you’d need at least a week on the training track before anybody was allowed to work on it,” said Cassidy. “You’ve got to understand, you’re talking about a lot of horses on that training track, and it can get torn up just as easily.”
Of the 21 equine fatalities since the start of the Santa Anita winter-spring meet Dec. 26, there have been no catastrophic injuries sustained on the training track.
Solis said that Dennis Moore also attended the meeting, along with P.J. Campo, executive vice president, Racing Division, for The Stronach Group, state veterinarian Dr. Tim Grande, jockey Aaron Gryder, and exercise rider Humberto Gomez.
The Stronach Group announced late Tuesday evening that Santa Anita would close for live racing and training while the one-mile main track undergoes additional extensive testing.
According to Solis, the picture could be much clearer as to when the main track re-opens for training and racing by next Monday, by which time Moore will have had “a few days” to conduct his tests. “We’re working hard on finding solutions for the safety of the horse and the rider,” he said.
Cassidy said that if the training track re-opens Friday and workouts are restricted for a period of time, trainers needing to work their horses can take them to Los Alamitos or San Luis Rey Downs.
According to CTT executive director Alan Balch, there are roughly 350 available stalls at Los Alamitos. A well-placed source said that there are between 50 and 70 available stalls at San Luis Rey Downs.
“Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with not working for a while, but that’s my take,” Cassidy said. “We’ve missed a lot of works anyway because of the weather.”
Cassidy said that he hadn’t heard of any other trainers who have started shifting their horses from Santa Anita to other training facilities.
According to trainer John Sadler, he’ll have to get “creative” if workouts are restricted on the training track for a period of time. “I’ll probably work some of my horses at Los Alamitos,” he said. Sadler typically maintains a string of between 25-35 horses at Los Alamitos. “It’ll be on a case-by-case basis,” Sadler added.
“I feel very good about Dennis Moore being back in there,” Sadler added. Moore was the former Santa Anita track superintendent, until he left his position in December of last year. Just this Tuesday, it was announced he would be back as a consultant at Santa Anita, expanding on the ground radar testing conducted by the University of Kentucky’s Dr. Mick Peterson last week.
“We have a lot of confidence in him, and I think I’m speaking for the majority of the horsemen. He’s a very strong track man, very popular,” said Sadler. “I have great confidence he’ll get it up and going in short order.”
No evaluation was conducted on the track Wednesday, however, due to heavy rain. In Wednesday’s announcement, Santa Anita said that Moore would be using for his work the Orono Biomechanical Surface Tester, “a device that mimics the impacts of a horse running at full gallop, allowing engineers to see how the track holds up.”
The rain could corrode the “sensitive” bearings of the Orono Biomechanical Surface Tester, potentially leading to inaccurate readings, hence why the machine was left idle Wednesday, said Kaleb Dempsey, a laboratory manager who works with Peterson. Dempsey is currently at Santa Anita, helping Moore and the Santa Anita track crew, headed by current superintendent Andy LaRocco.
Earlier in the day, Balch warned that if the training track remains closed for any longer than Friday, it could jeopardize the health and safety of horses who are currently restricted to exercise around the barns. “We’re trying to do what’s best for the horses,” said Balch, stressing the volatile nature of the Thoroughbred. “The main concern is the training track and being able to get horses out of their stalls and out of the backstretch.”
Balch also pointed to a number of concerns trainers raised at the meeting, including the “pressure” trainers are under to run horses in conditions they’re not entirely happy with, including a sealed track.
“Horses can suffer an injury that might not be evident after running over a sealed racetrack,” said Balch, who added that perhaps “the time has come where we should at least consider not running when you have to take these steps to protect the racetrack. Horsemen made the point that races are canceled in the East [Coast] all the time [due to inclement weather].”
Interestingly, Peterson had previously told the TDN that data shows how sealed tracks are not unsafe tracks. “The challenge is when you transition from a sealed track to an open track. You run the risk of a very hard sealed track as it’s beginning to dry out,” he said.
As for the owners and trainers who were pointing for the
GII San Felipe S., it appears that many of are taking a wait-and-see attitude and are putting off their decisions on where to run for at least a few days.
Elliott Walden, the CEO and President of WinStar Farm, a co-owner of Improbable (City Zip), told the TDN that they will see how things develop at Santa Anita before firming up the schedule for their horse. Another option is the Mar. 16 GII Rebel S. at Oaklawn.
Improbable is a stablemate of Game Winner (Candy Ride {Arg}). By text, trainer Bob Baffert said he had nothing to report so far as where his two 3-year-old stars would go next. Eclipse Award winner Game Winner, who has yet to race this year, was also pointing for the San Felipe. Later in the day, agent Ron Anderson tweeted Game Winner, along with jockey Joel Rosario, would start in the Rebel. And the possibility of other Santa Anita sophomores being re-routed to the Rebel had Oaklawn officials announcing the race might be split into two divisions.
Trainer Jerry Hollendorfer, who had been planning on running Gunmetal Gray (Exchange Rate) in the San Felipe, is also on the fence.
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Post by quickcall on Mar 7, 2019 6:24:53 GMT -5
Ok, so if they decide there is nothing wrong with this track, then what? How far does the investigation go then, I’m wondering. Is the industry really concerned for the horses?
We’ll see.
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Post by hezethebest on Mar 7, 2019 7:25:25 GMT -5
Dell, as a fairly recent newhire as a mutuel clerk, what are you hearing out there?
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Post by elk- on Mar 7, 2019 8:42:43 GMT -5
they publicly blamed the heavy rain for the uptick in breakdowns. no other real option after another round of heavy rain to then to shut down and check the track out again. Have to be able to say they did everything they could to make sure the track was perfect should something happen.
If I had to guess I'd be they cancel more often for heavy rain and get the equipment on site to check it anytime there is over x amount in a 24 hour period and once a week on a dark day regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 10:54:00 GMT -5
they publicly blamed the heavy rain for the uptick in breakdowns. no other real option after another round of heavy rain to then to shut down and check the track out again. Have to be able to say they did everything they could to make sure the track was perfect should something happen. If I had to guess I'd be they cancel more often for heavy rain and get the equipment on site to check it anytime there is over x amount in a 24 hour period and once a week on a dark day regardless. ...looks likew they should do what base ball teams do ...get a 'tarp' 'railing' all around the track, on both sides, that can unroll from one side to the other , whenever the rain fall is likely to fall during off racing times and thus spare the track surfaces as much as possible...they should have done this a long time ago...or had better consideration for the absorbing qualities of the track surfaces when they built them....no foresight or insight to begin with ....and thus , many incomes and the troubles there of are hurting the many in the industry....sad ...
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Post by Badactor on Mar 7, 2019 14:41:48 GMT -5
Dell, as a fairly recent newhire as a mutuel clerk, what are you hearing out there?
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Hi Larry... I just received this email from the scheduling secretary: "I am sure you have heard this on the news
SANTA ANITA IS CLOSED WITH NO LIVE RACING.
Date to be determined when they will re-open. We will be closed for Big Cap Day March 9th no live racing. We are anticipating your next day of work will be on Saturday, April 6th Derby day."
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Post by elk- on Mar 8, 2019 10:40:00 GMT -5
Jerry Brown posts at Tgraph "I'm hearing they will be closed for at least 3 weeks." That puts them at opening back up just before the SA Derby.
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Post by shoes on Mar 8, 2019 10:42:29 GMT -5
Wow- that is significant. I assume neither Delmar nor Los Al could fill in on such short notice?
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Post by elkurzhal on Mar 8, 2019 11:07:16 GMT -5
Sounds like stalls were available at SLR and Los Al. I would expect an uptick in entries at GG, Turf Paradise & Oaklawn. Not sure what they could do to have racing at Del-Mar or Los Al on short notice. Probably too much red tape...
Breeders Cup @ SA is 8 months away... I wouldn't book anything non-refundable at the moment. :/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 11:07:39 GMT -5
...lol...just think of all those folks who had no Fore-Warning of the intents to close down...the folks in the food , drink etc, ...those that sold tickets in the grand stands seating, etc, etc, and hosting company feasts etc etc...and that s a management did not call up one of the other near by tracks to host the important races etc...just shows how poorly and self centered etc the upper crust in administration and owners are towards those that put the dollars into their pockets ....etc...sad.indeed...no forsight , no insight , etc...and just think of all those families and persons who had made travel arrangements for the this day at the races....lol..etc...what a really big cost factor so many will need to recover from...wonder if the trains , buses , planes , hotels , etc etc will give back a FULL refund...lol..etc..on such short notice , lol..etc...this will also hurt the racing industry etc ...sad...
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Post by frangooch on Mar 8, 2019 13:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by tims70ar on Mar 10, 2019 22:31:17 GMT -5
Jay Privman calls out Santa Anita management in regards to forcing owners to start horses against their better judgement or lose some of their stall allocations. (Of course SA has been known for small fields for many years.) This was stated on Thoroughbreds Los Angeles Saturday morning March 9th. Check audio at 13:00 - 17:00 minute marks.Audio link here.
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Post by bobtailnag on Mar 11, 2019 10:45:13 GMT -5
Looking at the long term downside of this catastrophe I wonder how many smaller operations that that have or will move to other tracks permanently. And I wonder how many larger operations that ship in to SA to run in the graded races who decide "Why take a chance" and choose not to ship in for those big races anymore because there are plenty of safer options east of the Mississippi. Underlying all that is the concern that California is getting close to being bankrupt and could decide to simply start raising taxes on just about everything which could or would force the tracks to lower purses furthering. The California's Government debt is $2.3 trillion. www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/04/19/the-top-four-reasons-california-is-unsustainable/#429650a93a23California doesn't have enough horse now. What happens if they lose another 5% to 10% move?
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Post by elkurzhal on Mar 11, 2019 11:01:27 GMT -5
SA set to re-open on 3/22. SA Hdcp will run on 4/6, Kilroe on 3/30. Cancelled/not rescheduled; Grade 2 Californian, Grade 2 San Felipe Stakes, $75,000 China Doll Stakes,& Grade 3 Santa Ysabel.
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Post by frangooch on Mar 11, 2019 14:28:33 GMT -5
So, they have pronounced it safe to resume racing later in March. Didn't they make a similar pronouncement a few weeks ago, and didn't horses die after that? My question remains, how do you know? Roll the dice and take your chances? personally, I don't think we need year round racing. Go back to the old racing schedules with the long gaps between meets. Horses get rest, players get bigger fields and more competitive races. That is, if horses don't continue to die on the track..... bobtail, Jerry Brown balanced the budget here. The world's 5th largest economy is not about to go bankrupt. wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-economies/21697/www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-06/california-makes-america-s-economy-great
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 16:56:46 GMT -5
Looking at the long term downside of this catastrophe I wonder how many smaller operations that that have or will move to other tracks permanently. And I wonder how many larger operations that ship in to SA to run in the graded races who decide "Why take a chance" and choose not to ship in for those big races anymore because there are plenty of safer options east of the Mississippi. Underlying all that is the concern that California is getting close to being bankrupt and could decide to simply start raising taxes on just about everything which could or would force the tracks to lower purses furthering. The California's Government debt is $2.3 trillion. www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2018/04/19/the-top-four-reasons-california-is-unsustainable/#429650a93a23California doesn't have enough horse now. What happens if they lose another 5% to 10% move? Lol....in the end the track owners will sell off and buy or invest where the horses are running....lol...simple...the locals will be the ones hurt mostly as ship in horses have travel tax write offs...lol..etc...as have the owners etc...even the food caters have write offs and can relocate....lol...etc...but those hired to do the work will have troubles and problems etc....sad...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 17:03:22 GMT -5
SA set to re-open on 3/22. SA Hdcp will run on 4/6, Kilroe on 3/30. Cancelled/not rescheduled; Grade 2 Californian, Grade 2 San Felipe Stakes, $75,000 China Doll Stakes,& Grade 3 Santa Ysabel.
....why the other Cali tracks have not offered to take the k d points etc races so that the horses conditioning is least compromised is a surprise indeed...or even s a management offering same to them etc...sad state of affairs towards the general public, those in the horse trades & racing etc etc...to many self centred twits in track ownership running the show and all the lives effected....sad...very sad...not to mention the sport itself over all...so folk bet other sports instead...a loss to the industry except the bookies....lol...and bookies do not spend enough in their local towns etc to off set all the losses of those that live from the off shoot of the race tracks etc etc...poor administrations indeed...sad...
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Post by frangooch on Mar 11, 2019 18:00:22 GMT -5
Move the rest of the meet to Del Mar?
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Post by bobtailnag on Mar 12, 2019 8:00:59 GMT -5
Gooch - the question is not the size of the economy, it's about the size of the debt and the speed at which it's growing. "California only has $100.1 billion of assets available to pay bills totaling $369.9 billion." That means on Jan 1st, 2019 California started the year $270 billion in the hole. By the end of the year it could have a dead fall of well over #300 billion. Tighten up your belt Gooch, the old soup kitchens can't be too far away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:01:29 GMT -5
Lol.....all of California has become a safe haven for illegals and those who made it so ( political elected and their helps etc like the hollyweed folk , etc ) are not giving thier pay checks to the illegals but using the tax dollars to pay these folks needs...lol..these political low life's have no answers to resolve issues but have been elected for a totally free expense card at tax payers expense...even Arnold could not find a way to resolve these issues while in office , and we know ,he ,at least stopped the bad guys in his world of fantasy and imagination....lol...this does not work in the real world....lol...
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